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[Amanah]

Originally Posted by peter83

Sorry what makes you believe Satan drive me here? I am not a oneness Christian or what? Please explain what makes you think i am decieved.
My commnet was about woman head coverings. If you dont afree thats ok but that means i am deiceved ad drivn from Satan? please explain...

Brother, I don't think he meant it the way it seemed, we appreciate you being here.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by peter83

Sorry what makes you believe Satan drive me here? I am not a oneness Christian or what? Please explain what makes you think i am decieved.
My commnet was about woman head coverings. If you dont afree thats ok but that means i am deiceved ad drivn from Satan? please explain...

What I said has nothing to do with head coverings, but this statement:
You said "search it and question your self (not your faith) you self. Is my religion the only one right? Or just a one more denomination in the Church of Christ?"

We are not Protestants nor a denomination, I'm saying your in the valley of decision. Are you going to come to the truth, or stay doing the same thing? Don't be deceived all things said to be chrisitan are the body of Christ. The plan of salvation, is a great foundational truth, if your messed up there the rest will be to!

I didn't say Satan sent you here I said you were here for only 2 reasons, either God or Satan sent you here. Don't get up tight buddy that's everyone who is here, or will ever come here!

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Brother, I don't think he meant it the way it seemed, we appreciate you being here.

Ι hope too sister.
My english are bad but i can not get why he told me such things...3 gods-deceived etc...maby he confused me with somebody else..
Thank you God bless you

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Esaias

This is also indicated in the old testament.

For women, it was a shame to have their headcovering removed:

Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers. Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.
(Isaiah 47:2-3)

Under the old covenant, the glory of God was covered:

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
(2 Corinthians 3:7-18)

To reflect this truth, the priest had to have their heads covered when ministering:

And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty. And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. ... And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, HOLINESS TO THE LORD. And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be. And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD. And thou shalt embroider the coat of fine linen, and thou shalt make the mitre of fine linen, and thou shalt make the girdle of needlework. And for Aaron's sons thou shalt make coats, and thou shalt make for them girdles, and bonnets shalt thou make for them, for glory and for beauty. And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach: And they shall be upon Aaron, and upon his sons, when they come in unto the tabernacle of the congregation, or when they come near unto the altar to minister in the holy place; that they bear not iniquity, and die: it shall be a statute for ever unto him and his seed after him.
(Exodus 28:2-43)

So the priests had to have their heads covered under the old covenant worship system. This reflects the truth that God's glory was concealed under the old covenant, but being now revealed under the new covenant, the head is to be UNCOVERED:

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
(1 Corinthians 11:3-4)

Under the old covenant, Christ (the visible image of the invisible God, the express brightness of God's glory) was concealed. But under the new covenant, that glory is on display. The head covering issue illustrates this truth during worship. The man is the glory and image of God, and thus is a picture of Christ, and thus is to be uncovered. The woman is the glory of the man, and thus represent's "man's glory" which is of course to be covered up in the presence of God and the holy angels:

For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
(1 Corinthians 11:10)

The Christian woman's head covering is the token of the proper authority being obeyed in the church, namely that God's Divine Order is being acknowledged and followed.

So where does the hair come into all this?

Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
(1 Corinthians 11:13-15)

First of all, there is a lesson from nature. This is a natural lesson, a lesson taught in the natural, which illustrates and supports and shed's light on and helps us to visualise the propriety and truth of the apostle's teaching. Nature teaches us that a man having long hair is shameful, but it is glorious for a woman to have long hair. This can be proven very easily (at least as far as women are concerned) by the fact that whenever a woman has long, flowing hair other women tend to admire her hair and declare how beautiful it is.

So what is the lesson? In the natural, for a man to have hair like a woman, which resembles a head covering or veil, is shameful, whereas it is appropriate for a woman. In the natural, a woman's hair is given her for "a covering". But we need to make note of what kind of "covering" - it is a peribolaion, what in English we would call a shawl or mantle. It means "something thrown around" like a wrap. The peribolaion was an article of clothing wrapped around the body. Sometimes it would be also draped over the head (just like shawls are today). The long hair is given to the woman as something to wrap around her and cover her. And in the natural, this is good and beautiful for a woman, but not so for a man.

The key is to note that this is IN THE NATURAL, and is brought up by the apostle specifically to SUPPORT a teaching he has concerning head covering. It cannot be taken to mean that a woman having long hair SUPPLANTS or REPLACES her head being covered as taught by Paul in the first part of his teaching in chapter 11, because that creates a CONTRADICTION.

Paul says if a woman is uncovered, it is AS IF she were shaven (had short or no hair). He says if the woman doesn't want to be covered, then she ought to ALSO (in addition) be shorn (have her hair cut short or off). This clearly proves the covering in the first part of the chapter is IN ADDITION to hair, and cannot itself be the hair. Otherwise, Paul would be saying if a woman had her hair cut off it is AS IF she had her hair cut off, and if she has her hair cut off she ought to ALSO have her hair cut off!

Furthermore, we can see historically that everyone throughout all time until the mid to late 1800s understood 1 Corinthians ch 11 to be teaching that women ought to be wearing a head covering of some kind during worship, and that men ought NOT to be doing the same. It was only with the rise of modernism, the feminist movement ("Suffragettes" and others), and liberalism that other interpretations came into vogue (such as "Paul's instructions were only relevant to 1st century Corinth", or "the hair is itself the covering commanded"). Today, most American and western European "Christians" ignore this teaching, or substitute hair (or in some cases wedding rings!) in place of the head covering. It is interesting, though, that practically EVERY WHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD (with the exception of China) all sects o fChristendom, including apostolics, maintain the ancient and historical understanding of Paul's teaching. Only recently, in western societies (and communist countries like China which has created a largely unisex culture), have Christians departed from the biblical and historical norm.

But not entirely, for in most churches in America it is (or at least was) the norm for the men to at least remove any head coverings they might have when they come to church. This is a vestige of the ancient practice that many still continue without a clue as to why.

so let me fully understand you.

you do believe that a woman should put on a second covering? You do not

believe Paul is teaching the hair is that covering?

Do you personally teach women to wear a second covering?

[peter83]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I'm saying your in the valley of decision. Are you going to come to the truth, or stay doing the same thing? Don't be deceived all things said to be chrisitan are the body of Christ. The plan of salvation, is a great foundational truth, if your messed up there the rest will be to!

Thank for your interest ,but what nakes you believe (or better know) that i am not in the truth?
And where you think i am standing and you think i "will stay doing the same thing'?
Please explain because your words are heavy ....and unexpected

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

so let me fully understand you.

you do believe that a woman should put on a second covering? You do not

believe Paul is teaching the hair is that covering?

Do you personally teach women to wear a second covering?

Hews use a cover ,even until today. Women and men
Oaul was speaking about that and he says that men have to no cover them selfs but women must continue do that.
The katakalima is something they put in the head in prayer time.
The perivoleon is the natural all day covering for a woman.
Read the interlinear text to understand the difference.
A man has to have short hair and not anymore wear a jewish coverin. But women like nature have them covering them selfs with long hair they must continue (like Jews today too!) wear a covering while pray etc.
Read it and i think dictionary will help you understand the problematic translation of those two words
God bless you!

[1ofthechosen]

[QUOTE=peter83;1531004]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I'm saying your in the valley of decision. Are you going to come to the truth, or stay doing the same thing? Don't be deceived all things said to be chrisitan are the body of Christ. The plan of salvation, is a great foundational truth, if your messed up there the rest will be to!

Thank for your interest ,but what nakes you believe (or better know) that i am not in the truth?
And where you think i am standing and you think i "will stay doing the same thing'?
Please explain because your words are heavy ....and unexpected

All I'm saying is there is one way to Jesus not many. If you are believing all Christianity is the same, that's deception.

It has nothing to do with you, but just your statement. Which it's funny how both times you worked around everything else I said that gave these statements their context. You can't even understand these things I said without the other chunk.

Let me ask you a question do you believe in the trinity? Let's start there. I don't want to offend you.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by peter83

Hews use a cover ,even until today. Women and men
Oaul was speaking about that and he says that men have to no cover them selfs but women must continue do that.
The katakalima is something they put in the head in prayer time.
The perivoleon is the natural all day covering for a woman.
Read the interlinear text to understand the difference.
A man has to have short hair and not anymore wear a jewish coverin. But women like nature have them covering them selfs with long hair they must continue (like Jews today too!) wear a covering while pray etc.
Read it and i think dictionary will help you understand the problematic translation of those two words
God bless you!

so do you personally teach women to use a second covering?

not seeing your point of view, the scripture clearly states that Hair is giver for a woman's covering. No mention of another type of covering but specifically says HAIR IS GIVEN HER FOR A COVERING.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by peter83

Hews use a cover ,even until today. Women and men
Oaul was speaking about that and he says that men have to no cover them selfs but women must continue do that.
The katakalima is something they put in the head in prayer time.
The perivoleon is the natural all day covering for a woman.
Read the interlinear text to understand the difference.
A man has to have short hair and not anymore wear a jewish coverin. But women like nature have them covering them selfs with long hair they must continue (like Jews today too!) wear a covering while pray etc.
Read it and i think dictionary will help you understand the problematic translation of those two words
God bless you!

What's a Hew?

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What's a Hew?

Jews