Do we have to pay tithes?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Yes, you are right about the stealing thing. David is a little different situation. I have heard people that said David was a priest because he ate the shewbread, or because he called for or even wore the linen ephod, but Jesus makes it clear that David eating the shewbread was illegal because it was only for the priests. Evidently Jesus did not consider David a priest.

David wasn't a priest. If he was, the writer of Hebrews knew nothing about it Hebrews 7:14. The judgement of the law depended on motive. Therefore Joseph is called a just man for the reason that he didn't want to make his wife out to be a public example (stoning) and wanted to give her a bill of divorcement (privately). It was judgement, and mercy contained in some verdicts of the law. Support of the ministry is declared by Moses, and Paul in the words of not muzzling the oxen to allow them to eat of the harvest. Plain and simple. If the oxen is truly a laborer then we should provide and care for him Proverbs 12:10. Everything we do is judged by intent, what are our true intentions.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I'm pretty sure it is impossible to give tithes from first fruits. It just goes to show how confused the subject has become.

Who said anything about tithing? Just in general I give out my first fruits regardless! It was only a statement bro. Lol

Tell the truth all it would take for you to stop listening and hear no further of what someone said, would be just them saying the word "tithe"?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Who said anything about tithing? Just in general I give out my first fruits regardless! It was only a statement bro. Lol

Tell the truth all it would take for you to stop listening and hear no further of what someone said, would be just them saying the word "tithe"?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Who said anything about tithing? Just in general I give out my first fruits regardless! It was only a statement bro. Lol

Tell the truth all it would take for you to stop listening and hear no further of what someone said, would be just them saying the word "tithe"?

I’m sorry brother. This is your thread. Please tell me what the title of the thread you started is.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I’m sorry brother. This is your thread. Please tell me what the title of the thread you started is.

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Who said anything about tithing? Just in general I give out my first fruits regardless! It was only a statement bro. Lol

Tell the truth all it would take for you to stop listening and hear no further of what someone said, would be just them saying the word "tithe"?

That is because we all know what is packed into that word "tithe". Words have meanings. Connotations.

When someone says tithe, they tend to mean "pay 10% gross or go straight to hell". They say it nicer than that...but we've been around long enough to know what they mean. So yeah...it's easy to tune out when people start harping on how we ought to tithe.

Don't pretend the opposite isn't equally true though. The minute your side hears someone say they don't believe in tithing you also become hard of hearing and think we all mean that no one should give to the church to support it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

That is because we all know what is packed into that word "tithe". Words have meanings. Connotations.

When someone says tithe, they tend to mean "pay 10% gross or go straight to hell". They say it nicer than that...but we've been around long enough to know what they mean. So yeah...it's easy to tune out when people start harping on how we ought to tithe.

Don't pretend the opposite isn't equally true though. The minute your side hears someone say they don't believe in tithing you also become hard of hearing and think we all mean that no one should give to the church to support it.

Wow, you blew their nose into your cornflakes this morning?

You are so angry about religion.

[Nitehawk013]

Cornflakes? Who eats cornflakes for breakfast anymore? What a horrible way to start your day.

[Aquila]

I think if men understood the history of "tithing" in Western culture, it would send chills down their spine. For centuries, the tithe was enforced by secular governments at the behest of religious authorities, and refusal to tithe could lead to the seizure of property, scourging, and fines. It was a tool of extortion used by a very oppressive theocratic system.

After the various revolutions that led to the separation of church and state, civil governments began dropping statutes enforcing the tithe. And churches began requiring it privately for membership.

For more information feel free to take a look at the following link:

Secular History of Tithing
http://tithing-russkelly.com/id15.html

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I think if men understood the history of "tithing" in Western culture, it would send chills down their spine.

No it wouldn't. That is an assumption based on your own perception.