Do we have to pay tithes?

[n david]

Well this is about as productive as the past 100 threads on tithes . . .

[1ofthechosen]

In Deuteronomy 14:22 it says plainly "Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year." With there being 3 types of tithes : The tithe to the priest, The Feast tithe, and the Poor tithe which the last 2 are not relevant to us this day.

As God Himself says in Numbers 18:21,24 "And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation. But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the Lord, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance." Now we know that is old testament, so wasn't this part of the law fufilled? Well in the New Testament the Apostle Paul let's you know how it should be in 1 Corinthians 9:1-14 "Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord? [2] If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord. [3] Mine answer to them that do examine me is this, [4] Have we not power to eat and to drink? [5] Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas? [6] Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working? [7] Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? [8] Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? [9] For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? [10] Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. [11] If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? [12] If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. [13] Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? [14] Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel."

So apparently he goes back to the law saying "For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope." So who was it written for? Those who labor in the gospel!

Ndavid is saying it's only for ranchers and all this craziness, but Deuteronomy 14:22 says different it says "Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase." Now I shortened that scripture because Leviticus 27:30-32 says the same thing but keep in mind what I just said. Now it says "And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord. [31] And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. [32] And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord."

Now not only is it about "all of the tithe of the land, seed, or of the fruit of it", it also covers "tithe of the herd". If we go back to Cain Abel what were they? One was a tiller of the ground, and one a keeper of the flock. Letting you know the tithe encompassed all, everything! There was no exemptions! Now in Malachi 3:8-8 God makes it clear "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. [9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation." You can say this is only talking about the Priests which that's crazy because a brand new thought comes in verse 7, of verse 3 of Malachi. And it says plainly "[B]ye have robbed me, even this whole nation." There goes N David's theory that its only the priests robbing God. Because it says plainly "even this whole nation"! I don't know about you last time I checked "whole" means "everyone."

When God lays something down as robbery and stealing, it's forever robbery and stealing. Because just like Brother Riggen said "no one can say we don't have to follow the 10 commandments." Matter of factly we can go to 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says plainly "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." And not paying your tithes is not only stealing being a thief, it's extortion, and idolatry! So that's 3 areas not just one, so can you inherit the kingdom of God?

The moral law never changes bro. The ten commandments are against it, He says plainly "thou shalt not steal." He calls the tithe "Holy to the Lord", anything that's Holy then is holy now. Or you are calling God a liar because Malachi 3:6 says "For I am the Lord, I change not."Tithes is part of the moral law it doesn't go away! No ifs ands or buts. I'll leave it at that!

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

1 Chronicles 16:22 and you are the one twisting the Malachi scripture talking about the context comes from 2:1. It switches after 3:5 when God says "saith the Lord of hosts. (6) for I am the Lord I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."


Nope. People were paying tithes. Nobody was robbing God except the priests. That's just a fact.

Even my Bible says the next verse is the beginning of a new idea there is a context mark on verse 7. At that point it turned, He was talking to all and everyone in Israel.

And why did Abraham give Tithe to Melchizedek?

It was a custom to pay tribute to local kings on war booty. God NEVER commanded Abraham to do it. There is nothing in that example that can be used as a command for the New Testament church thousands of years into the future.


That was before the law?

Same as above, God did not command or institute it before the Law.


God calls the it His holy tithe!


And it is referring to the tithe that certain people of Israel were required to pay. THAT tithe was indeed holy. But we are not Israel. We are under a different covenant. The covenant that necessitated this tithe tax and the priesthood it supported are gone. If you insist this still applies, then you are bound to do it EXACTLY as Moses commanded and not with currency. This would include no land or home ownership for pastors, the church members consuming their tithe on certain occasions, the tithe being given to widows on certain occasions, and by the way, it has to be food or animals from the Holy Land. If you are not doing what I write above, you are not "tithing". I don't care what preacher said what. He might be a great guy. But on this point, he is in error.

What is holy to God that ceases to be holy? If you can answer that, then you are calling God a liar in what He says in Malachi 3:6. "For I am the Lord, I change not." Are you saying He changes?

HE does not change, but HE abolished one covenant and priesthood and set up another.

Deal with it, bub.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Deal with it, bub.

Do you pay tithes? No one said God didn't fufill His covenant because abolish is a bad word. But tithes and offerings are His model forever for the ministry. I can't believe y'all think that God instituted a government that wouldn't be self sufficient! With a system in place. Let me ask you a question, if not the way He prescribed in scripture, how should it be? I would much rather use God's plan, He came up with, then some Purpose Driven Church plan. But that's me personally. I believe He has made it clear, how He wants its carried out. Because where have you seen Him say different? Just one scripture, and I'll go with it.

[aegsm76]

The OT was easy.
Just pay the 10% and various offerings and you were ok.
Now, everything we own belongs to God and was given to us by God to use for his kingdom.
When you realize that, you won't worry about tithes.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

The OT was easy.
Just pay the 10% and various offerings and you were ok.
Now, everything we own belongs to God and was given to us by God to use for his kingdom.
When you realize that, you won't worry about tithes.

I'll go with that! But not less than the OT!

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted...title-dbsj.pdf

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I'll go with that! But not less than the OT!

Brother, I'm going to do my best to be kind. If God changeth not, and the tithe is holy, and you by default believe that the tithe changeth not, why are we tithing money today?

Money was not ever tithed even once in the Bible. Think about it. You said that they didn't have money in the Bible. They did. I'm not trying to be ugly and insulting. I'm trying to teach you. Think about this example. You thought you knew, but you were wrong. This scenario will replay itself time after time as you learn the truth about tithing. You can accept it or reject it. It doesn't change the truth. I don't really blame you. You've been taught something that is simply not true, by someone who was taught something that simply was not true.

You want to give a tenth, and you feel that the Lord will bless you. Go ahead and do what you feel to do, but don't believe a lie. That is never condoned in the scripture. Please don't reject the truth.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Brother, I'm going to do my best to be kind. If God changeth not, and the tithe is holy, and you by default believe that the tithe changeth not, why are we tithing money today?

Money was not ever tithed even once in the Bible. Think about it. You said that they didn't have money in the Bible. They did. I'm not trying to be ugly and insulting. I'm trying to teach you. Think about this example. You thought you knew, but you were wrong. This scenario will replay itself time after time as you learn the truth about tithing. You can accept it or reject it. It doesn't change the truth. I don't really blame you. You've been taught something that is simply not true, by someone who was taught something that simply was not true.


You want to give a tenth, and you feel that the Lord will bless you. Go ahead and do what you feel to do, but don't believe a lie. That is never condoned in the scripture. Please don't reject the truth.

Look at Leviticus 27:1-8 show that the animals were as good as money. They couldve been sold.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Brother, I'm going to do my best to be kind. If God changeth not, and the tithe is holy, and you by default believe that the tithe changeth not, why are we tithing money today?

Money was not ever tithed even once in the Bible. Think about it. You said that they didn't have money in the Bible. They did. I'm not trying to be ugly and insulting. I'm trying to teach you. Think about this example. You thought you knew, but you were wrong. This scenario will replay itself time after time as you learn the truth about tithing. You can accept it or reject it. It doesn't change the truth. I don't really blame you. You've been taught something that is simply not true, by someone who was taught something that simply was not true.

You want to give a tenth, and you feel that the Lord will bless you. Go ahead and do what you feel to do, but don't believe a lie. That is never condoned in the scripture. Please don't reject the truth.

I've shown many scriptures and proofs, you have yet to state even 1 to show your stance. Or better yet, where it is endorsed at all in the Bible OT or NT.