Do we have to pay tithes?

[1ofthechosen]

I was listening to this, it's good. Just had a conversation with some individuals yesterday. He explains more than just about tithes, but this was a good message! I encourage you to listen to it.

[Michael The Disciple]

One Evangelist I heard said if you miss ONE PENNY of your tithes you will not enter Heaven.

[jediwill83]

No, we do not.

[Amanah]

someone posted something recently that I thought made sense, but I can't find their post now.

it was to the effect that there are some people who will choose house church and some people who will choose traditional church and if you choose to be a part of the latter, then you should help to support it.

[Originalist]

Supporting the work of God, house church or conventional church, is needed.

As to the question asked in the original post, no, there is no such system called "tithing" for the New Testament church. It's a fairy tale.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I was listening to this, it's good. Just had a conversation with some individuals yesterday. He explains more than just about tithes, but this was a good message! I encourage you to listen to it.

It didn't take you long to get into research mode, did it? That is highly commendable, by the way.

I think before you go too far, it is important to define tithes biblically. A start would be:

What was tithed?

Who tithed?

Who received tithes?

What was done with the tithe?

How many tithes were there?

What was the source of the tithe?

What about the tithe of Melchisedec?

If you search the scripture, and get the literal true answers to these questions, and possibly some more, this is by no means an exhaustive list, you will be way ahead of the average Bible scholar in general knowledge of the Bible. The incredible thing is that you will begin to see and understand things that you never have. Studying and understanding the tithe is a great portal into learning the Bible, especially the Old Testament.

After you answer all of the above questions, with true, literal Bible answers, apply the same questions to the same subject today. You may be really surprised where the truth leads.

I believe I have heard the sermon you posted above. If I have not, I have at least heard a sermon from Brother Riggen on tithes. The one I listened to was full of egregious error. There was much that he said that was simply untrue, however he did a fine job of articulating false doctrine. He sets out to prove a point with scripture, and he is not ashamed to twist scripture to do so. In this wise he is no different than most preachers of almost every denomination. The god of mammon is alive and well.

May God bless your studies.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Supporting the work of God, house church or conventional church, is needed.

As to the question asked in the original post, no, there is no such system called "tithing" for the New Testament church. It's a fairy tale.

Well said.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Amanah

someone posted something recently that I thought made sense, but I can't find their post now.

it was to the effect that there are some people who will choose house church and some people who will choose traditional church and if you choose to be a part of the latter, then you should help to support it.

I remember seeing that too. I can almost remember who posted it. He talked about three levels of Christians. As you said it does make sense, however I don't think it is in harmony with the Bible.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

It didn't take you long to get into research mode, did it? That is highly commendable, by the way.

I think before you go too far, it is important to define tithes biblically. A start would be:

What was tithed?

Who tithed?

Who received tithes?

What was done with the tithe?

How many tithes were there?

What was the source of the tithe?

What about the tithe of Melchisedec?

If you search the scripture, and get the literal true answers to these questions, and possibly some more, this is by no means an exhaustive list, you will be way ahead of the average Bible scholar in general knowledge of the Bible. The incredible thing is that you will begin to see and understand things that you never have. Studying and understanding the tithe is a great portal into learning the Bible, especially the Old Testament.

After you answer all of the above questions, with true, literal Bible answers, apply the same questions to the same subject today. You may be really surprised where the truth leads.

I believe I have heard the sermon you posted above. If I have not, I have at least heard a sermon from Brother Riggen on tithes. The one I listened to was full of egregious error. There was much that he said that was simply untrue, however he did a fine job of articulating false doctrine. He sets out to prove a point with scripture, and he is not ashamed to twist scripture to do so. In this wise he is no different than most preachers of almost every denomination. The god of mammon is alive and well.

May God bless your studies.

Well if your not going to listen to it then, I'll leave it there. How am I supposed to make you believe fat meat is greasy when you don't believe it is? I just simply posted it, because it was good. But the greatest thing he said "if you can't trust the man of God with your money, then why on Earth would you trust him with your soul?" I think that's a good principal for all you have problem with pastoral authority. Because of past hurts or mistrust, or whatever. Find one who you can trust with your money. If you cant, well you've found what your God is truthfully. And as you said "the god of Mammon is alive and well."

Btw, Brother Riggen is a sincere man of God. You should "keep your mouth off God's anointed", at least that's what my Bible says. But with that im finished.

[Amanah]

what about the following passage, it seems to me that we should support the ministry

1 Corinthians 9 King James Version (KJV)

1 Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.
16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.