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Old 12-05-2007, 08:26 AM
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I would not say that tithing is salvational, but I do think that it's very important in the life of a believer. I do not believe that's it's just Old Testament; I believe that it's for today too. In our life, I have seen the fruit of tithing. In nearly thirty years of marriage, we have never failed to tithe and God has abundantly poured out His blessings on us financially. I was raised that if I got a quarter allowance, I put 3 cents in the offering as a child. We have done the same with our kids. When you grow up that way, it just becomes a way of life, not a duty to be done.

Tithing is only the beginning; offerings should be above and beyond tithing. I know it's cliche, but you cannot outgive God. We gave sacrificially when we were very poor, but we knew it was a principle of God's Word and He never failed to bring in what we needed if we were faithful.

I do believe that if you don't tithe, you are robbing God. It's in the Word, and I don't want to be a thief in God's sight! JMHO!!!!
You state that you believe that if you don't tithe that you are robbing God... and yet you do not believe that tithing is salvational...

Does that make God the only one a person can rob several times a month and still be saved?

I would think that if one truly felt that to not pay the tithe in these NT times was robbing God then it would, of necessity, need to be a salvational issue.

Can I rob my neighbor weekly or bi-weekly and yet remain saved?

Also... you say that you don't feel the tithe is just OT... do you have any scriptural basis for this feeling?
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Old 12-05-2007, 03:52 PM
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Very good observation Bro. Digging4Truth. I see your logic here. Certainly if one believed that failure to tithe was robbing God it would be a salvational issue.

I believe that today we are not under the Law. When God charged Israel for robbing him in Malachi he was speaking to both the priesthood and the nation because they had failed to offer tithes to fill the storehouse for the poor. When the poor, widows, and strangers turned to the national storehouse for support it was empty. By refusing to tithe they were robbing the storehouse, thereby robbing the poor…and thereby robbing God. By leaving the poor and destitute languishing in need of help the priest hood had robbed God…,”even this whole nation.”. It was the sin of a nation against it’s most helpless citizens.

This goes hand in hand with what Jesus taught in the New Testament. Jesus said,

{25:31} When the Son of man shall come in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the
throne of his glory: {25:32} And before him shall be
gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from
another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
{25:33} And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the
goats on the left. {25:34} Then shall the King say unto them
on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit
the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the
world: {25:35} For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye
took me in: {25:36} Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick,
and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
{25:37} Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord,
when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee?] or thirsty,
and gave [thee] drink? {25:38} When saw we thee a
stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee?
]{25:39} Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came
unto thee? {25:40} And the King shall answer and say unto
them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it]
unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it]
unto me.
{25:41} Then shall he say also unto them on the
left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels: {25:42} For I was an
hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave
me no drink: {25:43} I was a stranger, and ye took me not
in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye
visited me not. {25:44} Then shall they also answer him,
saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a
stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister
unto thee? {25:45} Then shall he answer them, saying,
Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of
the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
” – Matthew 25:31-45

Their robbing the poor by leaving the storehouse barren of their tithes and offerings in the OT was robbing God. God doesn’t need money. In God’s eyes it was an issue of mercy and justice for those who were helpless. We rob God today by failing to help those in need.

In the NT we are not under the Law of Moses. We do not tithe to the national storehouse, Levites, temple, etc. Therefore this was a violation of OT Israel’s covenant with God. In the NT we are justified by faith, as it was in the days of Abraham. Paul explained that by being in Christ that we are Abraham’s seed. In Abraham’s day a “tithe” was a voluntary covenant between two individuals establishing a covenant relationship. A nomadic tribe may pay a “tithe” as tribute to a king as they passed through his dominion. This would place them under the king’s authority and entitle them to the king’s protection during their pilgrimage. Abraham is only seen tithing once to Melchezideck, the king of Salem. Please note, Abraham’s tithe was voluntary. Also note that Abraham tithed the spoils of war gained in his conquest of the king of Sodom. If Christians are to live by faith, as did Abraham, tithing is a voluntary offering that can be given to God as desired. This is in perfect harmony with Paul’s teaching. Paul stated that Christians are to give cheerfully as they have purposed in their hearts. Should a Christian tithe? Yes, if they purpose to. And by all means encourage it to sustain the ministry and the work of the Lord. However a Christian should never be forced to tithe, it should be a purposed offering, cheerfully given.

Many people do believe that tithing is absolutely essential for salvation. I respect them but I disagree. In my experience it only takes one financial crisis leaving one totally broke to demonstrate that tithing isn’t a requirement for the Christian.
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Old 12-06-2007, 10:14 AM
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Brother Hall...

I agree with the vast majority of your post. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.

The only thing I really take any issue with is the interpretation that Malachi 3 was speaking of the people failing to bring their tithe in.

Malachi was a contemporary of Nehemiah and I have come to believe that the problems being addressed in Malachi 3 are the very same issues Nehemiah addressed in Nehemiah 13.

This was not a case of the people not bringing their tithe into the storehouse. The storehouse had been emptied of the tithe and an Ammonite was living in the storehouse (who shouldn't have even been allowed to be a part of the multitude... much less live in the temple where the tithes were supposed to be kept). The priests were handling the tithe rather than the Levites and the Levites were having to go out and work in the fields as well as much merchandising on the sabbath.

I firmly believe that the issues being handled by Nehemiah are the very same issues being spoken on in Malachi.

Malachi 1 starts out saying that this is written to all of Israel.

Malachi 2 begins a completely different discussion that continues on through Malachi 3 and it is directed at the priests.


Just something to think about.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:28 PM
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Re: Tithing: a salvation issue?

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We have a lot of unemployed stay at home Mom's etc. in our church. I have always felt they should be tithing their time or something. Am I being mean or what?? What say you all? Is "first fruits" and tithing always money??
Just a scriptural observation. Neither "first fruits" nor tithing was ever money. At least not in the Bible. Now in the mind of a lot of pastors and saints, it is only money.

Annnnd . . . tithes and firstfruits are not the same thing.

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Re: Tithing: a salvation issue?

A stay at home mom "tithes" her life to her kids.
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A stay at home mom "tithes" her life to her kids.
When you cut loose from the anchor of the Word, and you are blown about by the slightest breeze, much less "wind of doctrine", you just never know where you are going to end up.
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