Trinitarian Commentaries vs. Discourse Analysis (E - Page 3

Sean · #21 12-12-2017, 11:25 PM

ex·e·gete
ˈeksəˌjēt/Submit
noun
1.
an expounder or textual interpreter, especially of scripture.
verb
1.
expound or interpret (a text, especially scripture).
"I am able to exegete the scriptures in ways that make sense"

The result....tens of thousands of unique Christian belief systems, and one particular meaning in one Bible.

So, expound on........

rdp · #22 12-13-2017, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery

You can share which book. Much simpler to use the pure Bible, the Authorised Version (KJB).

Steven

*Yes, I am well familiar w. your thoughts on the KJV & I tenaciously disagree (to put it mildly). In fact, we are currently in the process of switching from the KJV to the ESV for our public reading in the church I pastor...& the people love it. I regularly teach on the errors of KJVO (which is not the same thing as being anti-KJV).

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I rarely made reference to the Greek when I taught at church. It is a needless distraction.

*I would differ w. you here inasmuch as the NT apostles & Jesus Himself appealed to specific grammar to formulate their doctrines (e.g., resurrection doctrine, baptism, etc.). While I do understand that in-depth exegesis (e.g., sentence diagramming, syntactical parallels, etc.) can be overwhelming to the lay church member, I do highly encourage original language research for the saints. Simply, I encourage "growing in knowledge."

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Originally Posted by Sean

God is not a "commentator" in my point of view.

It it His word and He invents his own ideas.

He spoke through men that wrote His thoughts.

If not, God is not the author of His word.

When I say commentary, I think of opinion pieces.

*Again, not interested in opinions - only the originally-inspired grammar of the biblical data itself. Already explained that every translator absolutely must make interpretive decisions in the transmission process from sender language to receiving language.

rdp · #23 12-13-2017, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean

ex·e·gete
ˈeksəˌjēt/Submit
noun
1.
an expounder or textual interpreter, especially of scripture.
verb
1.
expound or interpret (a text, especially scripture).
"I am able to exegete the scriptures in ways that make sense"

The result....tens of thousands of unique Christian belief systems, and one particular meaning in one Bible.

So, expound on........

Sean · #24 12-13-2017, 08:16 AM

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*Yes, I am well familiar w. your thoughts on the KJV & I tenaciously disagree (to put it mildly). In fact, we are currently in the process of switching from the KJV to the ESV for our public reading in the church I pastor...& the people love it. I regularly teach on the errors of KJVO (which is not the same thing as being anti-KJV).

No, it is identical.

Once you finish wrecking the KJV, then you will be wrecked by endless new modern versions that all say an average of 50,000 words different from each other because of copyright laws.

You are in no man's land now, and free from the word of God, to switch to seminary translations, which are actually.... commentary .

Sean · #25 12-13-2017, 08:22 AM

What we did in our men's group meeting is compare verses from the KJV to the completely missing or completely changed verses in the modern versions.

Jaws dropped unanimously.

Try it sometime.

Scott Pitta · #26 12-13-2017, 02:31 PM

The issue is different translations are translated from different Greek manuscripts. No 2 manuscripts are word for word identical.

It makes perfect sense for Bibles translated from different manuscripts to read differently.

Just to make things worse, the quotes from the OT in the NT do not always match how they read in the OT. Since this does not seem to be a problem for NT authors, it is not a problem for me.

Sean · #27 12-13-2017, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

The issue is different translations are translated from different Greek manuscripts. No 2 manuscripts are word for word identical.

It makes perfect sense for Bibles translated from different manuscripts to read differently.

Just to make things worse, the quotes from the OT in the NT do not always match how they read in the OT. Since this does not seem to be a problem for NT authors, it is not a problem for me.

Scott, you are ignoring the fact that these modern translations are forced to differ from each other by about 10%.

They are forced to change verses by copyright law.

Sean · #28 12-13-2017, 03:01 PM

Just imagine a law telling you to change what is written in your Bible to make sure it does not resemble someone else's Bible.

Well, there is such a law.

Sean · #29 12-13-2017, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean

Just imagine a law telling you to change what is written in your Bible to make sure it does not resemble someone else's Bible.

Well, there is such a law.

So those that choose to be "different" than the KJV and want to create their own translations, are open game to that law.

Scott Pitta · #30 12-13-2017, 03:05 PM

I have yet to see a translator refer to copyright laws.

english NT's differ because they are translated by different manuscripts. Differences in translator style come into play. Translation technique also impact how readings are made in English.

I have seen plenty of ink spilled over those issues. Not once have I seen a translator mention copyright law.