Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ? - Page 277

Walks_in_islam · #**2761** 12-09-2017, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

This is what I referred to that was about ME.

You had to describe ME. You had to throw in that slur against ME. YOU brought up the issue about Jesus on the throne and claimed it is not the case. I responded proving HE IS on the throne. Then YOU asked about how many are deity. You avoided the issue YOU started, and had to make it about ME.

And by doing so, you avoided my whole point about Jesus on the throne or not trying to make it about who is deity. Why did you do that?

Then stop talking about how trapped I am and what I want something to say.

Are you going to deal with whether or not Jesus is on the throne that YOU initiated first? We can talk about that as well. But stop DODGING the issue YOU statred.

Are you going to explain first how Jesus is sitting until all enemies are made his footstool, and ruling until they're made his footstool, and how sitting has to imply a chair but cannot imply a throne, and how he cannot be on a throne although he sits on a chair and rules form it?.... .OR NOT?

My original post was about who is deity and that there is something wrong with the accepted teaching about who Jesus actually is.

mfblume · #**2762** 12-09-2017, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

My original post was about who is deity and that there is something wrong with the accepted teaching about who Jesus actually is.

You said JESUS IS NOT ON A THRONE.

Will you answer that or not?

mfblume · #**2763** 12-09-2017, 10:12 AM

You said: "Jesus in Acts when Stephen was stoned wasn't sitting on the throne."

mfblume · #**2764** 12-09-2017, 10:13 AM

What's he sitting on to rule from if it's not a throne, WII? You said, "A place of authority, yes". Not a throne, though? He is RULING , WII. RULING.

Walks_in_islam · #**2765** 12-09-2017, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

You never addressed the SINGLE POINT I have repeated over and over again..

And I'm holding your feet to the fire. How can he not be on a throne if he RULES while SITTING?

YOU reconcile these passages:

Psalms 110:1 KJV A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

1 Corinthians 15:24-26 KJV (24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death

I couldn't and your message sounds good until verses 27-28 are added which state that Jesus rules under God but is subject to God.

This is the point of the whole thread. There is no question from my side on the authority given Jesus by God. My question is why are you all teaching that the two are one when every passage you example except the two as one over the other.

mfblume · #**2766** 12-09-2017, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I couldn't and your message sounds good until verses 27-28 are added which state that Jesus rules under God but is subject to God.

That is another issue. How many times must I say that is another issue apart from whether or not he is on the throne?!!!!!!!!!!

You admit he's in a place of authority. But you refuse to say IT IS A THRONE!????

He RULES, WII. RULES RULES RULES RULES.

1 Corinthians 15:25 KJV (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

I thought only those on thrones REIGN. Does he reign or not? iF SO, WHY IS THAT NOT SITTING ON A THRONE?

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This is the point of the whole thread. There is no question from my side on the authority given Jesus by God. My question is why are you all teaching that the two are one when every passage you example except the two as one over the other.

I read YOUR WORDS about a throne and dealt solely with that and now you are backpeddling and dodging the point you raised. And your whole premise is allegedly SUPPORTED by your reference to Jesus on the throne, which is why you made that point. And now you are unwilling to deal with it.

Okaaaaay.

If you have no qualms about his authority why don't you address that his authority is REIGNING? Is he reigning? Is he ruling? You refuse to say it! You reword it to authority, but refuse to acknowledge Paul's words about REIGNING.

Walks_in_islam · #**2767** 12-09-2017, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

What's he sitting on to rule from if it's not a throne, WII? You said, "A place of authority, yes". Not a throne, though? He is RULING , WII. RULING.

I only referenced specific examples where Jesus was "seen" or "visualized" at the "right hand" of God followed by your stories about God setting up Jesus to rule.

You seem hung up on the throne so if you believe that Jesus has a throne at that right hand then please by all means I will not question that belief. Make it a pure golden one.

Can you feedback on those two small but critical verses missing from your little presentation? Is Jesus subject to God or do we need help re-interpreting the actual words?

mfblume · #**2768** 12-09-2017, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I only referenced specific examples where Jesus was "seen" or "visualized" at the "right hand" of God followed by your stories about God setting up Jesus to rule.

PAUL said HE RULES. Not Me. PAUL.

It is really enlightening how you will NOT address that term.

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You seem hung up on the throne so if you believe that Jesus has a throne at that right hand then please by all means I will not question that belief. Make it a pure golden one.

It's NOT ABOUT ME. It's about the WORD. The WORD says HE REIGNS.

Does he reign or not?

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Can you feedback on those two small but critical verses missing from your little presentation? Is Jesus subject to God or do we need help re-interpreting the actual words?

I already said I will deal with anything you ask, but deal with this first. Is he ruling and reigning or not? And why is that NOT from a throne?

1 Corinthians 15:25 KJV (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Walks_in_islam · #**2769** 12-09-2017, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

You said JESUS IS NOT ON A THRONE.

Will you answer that or not?

I said Jesus is not on God's throne. In revelations it says that Jesus, the lamb, takes a book out of the hand of the one sitting on the throne. There are other passages. One passage in Psalms has Jesus "sharing" a throne with God. You can find that one for yourself. You seem studious.

I like your verse. It is the embodiment of the thread, truly. Teach us about it:

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

God rules. According to your chapter in I Cor, God also rules over Jesus. If the first commandment is Our God is One where does that leave your teachings?

mfblume · #**2770** 12-09-2017, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I said Jesus is not on God's throne.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

God rules. According to your chapter in I Cor, God also rules over Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:25 KJV (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

WII, read.

1 Corinthians 15:23-27 KJV (23) But every man in his own order: Christ (CHRIST IS THE SUBJECT) the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (24) Then cometh the end, when he (CHRIST) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God (BECAUSE HE HAD IT WHILE RULING AND WILL GIVE IT TO THE FATHER LATER , NOT YET), even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (25) For (CHRIST)he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (27) For he (FATHER) hath put all things under his (CHRIST'S ) feet. But when he saith all things are put under him (CHRIST), it is manifest that he (FATHER) is excepted, which did put all things under him (CHRIST).

The FATHER put all things under the feet of Jesus. That means Jesus ruled.

Christ had authority to RULE. JESUS delivers up the KINGDOM because HE HAD THE KINGDOM. And that KINGDOM IS HIS NOW. He RULES IT. He cannot deliver it to the Father if He did not have it and rule it first. And this prophecy is future so Jesus is CURRENTLY over the Kingdom and RULES IT.

Where is my reading mistaken?

So if HE RULES THE KINGDOM NOW, and shall in the future GIVE IT TO THE FATHER, why do you say HE IS NOT ON THE THRONE?