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Old 10-15-2017, 08:40 PM
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Re: Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

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No oneness person believes anything like that. So, you built a strawman -- something nobody believes, and then you attacked it and claimed you attacked oneness. But you have not attacked anything anyone believes. You made a strawman argument.


Hypostatic union
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The oldest known icon of Christ Pantocrator at Saint Catherine's Monastery. The two different facial expressions on either side emphasize Christ's dual nature as both divine and human.[1][2]

Composites of the two sides of the face.
Hypostatic union (from the Greek: ὑπόστασις hypóstasis, "sediment, foundation, substance, subsistence") is a technical term in Christian theology employed in mainstream Christology to describe the union of Christ's humanity and divinity in one hypostasis, or individual existence.[3]

The First Council of Ephesus in 431 AD recognized this doctrine and affirmed its importance, stating that the humanity and divinity of Christ are made one according to nature and hypostasis in the Logos.

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1 Hypostasis
2 Through history
2.1 Council of Ephesus
2.2 Council of Chalcedon
2.3 Oriental Orthodox rejection of Chalcedonian Definition
3 See also
4 References
5 Sources
Hypostasis[edit]
Main article: Hypostasis (philosophy)
The Greek term hypostasis had come into use as a technical term prior to the Christological debates of the late fourth and fifth centuries. In pre-Christian times, Greek philosophy (primarily Stoicism) used the word.[4][5] Some occurrences of the term hypostasis in the New Testament foreshadow the later, technical understanding of the word.[citation needed] Although it can translate literally as "substance", this has been a cause of some confusion;[6] accordingly the New American Standard Bible translates it as "subsistence". Hypostasis denotes an actual, concrete existence, in contrast with abstract categories such as Platonic ideals.

In Kierkegaard's Philosophical Fragments, the dual nature of Christ is explored as a paradox, as "the ultimate paradox", because God, understood as a perfectly good, perfectly wise, perfectly powerful being, fully became a human, in the Christian understanding of the term: burdened by sin, limited in goodness, knowledge, and understanding.[7] This paradox can only be resolved, Kierkegaard believed, by a leap of faith away from one's understanding and reason towards belief in God; thus the paradox of the hypostatic union was crucial to an abiding faith in the Christian God.

As the precise nature of this union is held to defy finite human comprehension, the hypostatic union is also referred to by the alternative term "mystical union."






Right, the modern oneness person modified it.
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It depicts a passover lamb which lambs were used for.

Sean, don't ever get into a discussion with an anti missionary Rabbi. He will convert you to Rabbinical Judaism in no time. Second thought, you couldn't be converted with 50 tons of matzo and a blow torch.
No Rabbi would want to convert Sean.
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Three scripture Charlie is at it again.
Who pulled your chain?....LOL
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Oh no, TK's here....there goes the neighborhood.
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Because Jesus said God IS a Spirit, not God made flesh.(John 4:24).
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You say God was made flesh. Look at your post.
Jesus said God is a Spirit in his description of God.
This means God is invisible.
Why would he describe God like that if he was God then and there?
Yes, Sean, God is a Spirit (as in John 4:24, John 1:18).

And, Sean, God is the word (as in John 1:1).

And, Sean, the word was made flesh (as in John 1:14).

So, Sean, this Spirit is also His word, and since He was a Spirit and a Spirit cannot be seen, for mankind to "behold His glory" (John 1:14, John 1:18) He took on "flesh" and "dwelled among" them (also John 1:14, John 1:18).

No contradiction, but instead John 1 and John 4 working together in perfect One God harmony.
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Mike, God became flesh?

Flesh what?
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Fish?

Bird?

Human?

God became human?
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God became human?
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Spirit became human?....


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



So, says Jesus.
All this and MUCH MORE from the guy who complains about added wording and comments.

Sean, you are such a hypocrite.

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Maybe, just maybe, the word that was made God was God's word?
Where does it say "the word" was "made God"?
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Right, Gods spoken word is from Him... it is Him.

My spoken word is from me...it is me.
Where does John 1:1 or John 1:14 say "GODS (sic) SPOKEN WORD"?
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The only other option is a implanted, fully pre-made fetus.
My oh my, placing limits on God like that...you surely are arrogant, aren't you?
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No contradiction, but instead John 1 and John 4 working together in perfect One God harmony.
Right.

"Some people" think describing a wooden red-painted object as OAK contradicts the thought that it is red.
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