Heading toward Civil War?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

We are only "treasonous" if you can find the clause in the Constitution forbidding secession. Until you do that, you remain a liar and a false accuser.

Is your state seceding from the United States?

I mean, if your state is seceding from the Union, and you choose to be a rebel, so be it. We'll just have to beat you again. But if one's state isn't seceding from the Union and they parade around waving the flag of a defeated foe and spit hatred at the United States. They're being treasonous.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes, There Were Black Confederates. Here’s Why
https://www.theroot.com/yes-there-we...why-1790858546

More "new" research. First they claimed no black gladly fought for the south. Later, when proven wrong, they have to come with the "we were forced to fight" myth. Even Frederick Douglas didn't believe the garbage you present here.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

More "new" research. First they claimed no black gladly fought for the south. Later, when proven wrong, they have to come with the "we were forced to fight" myth. Even Frederick Douglas didn't believe the garbage you present here.

Hey, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'm selling. If you're interested, let's hook up via PayPal.

Why are you believing in all this racist, "South will rise again", glorified propaganda designed to polish the image of the Confederacy??? You know a lot of this stuff was floated after the Confederacy was defeated. It was refuted then and it is still a lie.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Is your state seceding from the United States?

I mean, if your state is seceding from the Union, and you choose to be a rebel, so be it. We'll just have to beat you again. But if one's state isn't seceding from the Union and they parade around waving the flag of a defeated foe and spit hatred at the United States. They're being treasonous.

You have not a leg to stand on, as usual. Just keep typing so you will continue to be exposed for what you are.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You have not a leg to stand on, as usual. Just keep typing so you will continue to be exposed for what you are.

Um, you're the Confederate rebel goober. Not me. lol

Answer my question - Is your state lawfully seceding from the Union??? Or are you just spreading anti-US sentiment?

[Originalist]

Amazing how our resident Bolshevik zeroed in on the very last sentence but offered no commentary on the rest of the paragraph, Very telling. I wouldn't want to have to deal with it either if I was him...

Just two months before Lee surrendered, the Lincoln Administration tried to entice the South into laying down its arms by suggesting their hasty reentry into the Union would most likely prevent the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery from being ratified. Yes, you read that right. Had the seceded States returned to the Union in February 1865, slavery might have lasted at least until the turn of the 20th century. So why did the Confederates turn such an offer down and instead continued to fight for independence? After all, all they were concerned about was keeping their slave property, right? By that time, the Confederates were willing to sacrifice the institution of slavery ,if that is what it took, to win their independence. After the CSA turned down the Administration's offer, owners began freeing slaves to fight with the boys in gray in the CS Army......
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/01/...ade-the-south/

So much for the myths that the South fought only to keep slave property and that the Union fought to end slavery.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Amazing how our resident Bolshevik zeroed in on the very last sentence but offered no commentary on the rest of the paragraph, Very telling. I wouldn't want to have to deal with it either if I was him...

So much for the myths that the South fought only to keep slave property and that the Union fought to end slavery.

Advocates for social democracy aren't Bolsheviks. In fact, Bolsheviks would abolish capitalism. Social democracy can't function without capitalism. Get educated. I didn't argue that the South fought only to keep slave property and the Union fought only to end slavery. I'm saying the South fought to defend an entire system of oppressive evils, slavery being only one. And the North fought to end the Confederacy, regardless of any good or bad it had to offer. They were the enemy.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Um, you're the Confederate rebel goober. Not me. lol

Answer my question - Is your state lawfully seceding from the Union??? Or are you just spreading anti-US sentiment?

Like the current Union, the Confederacy was a creation of a number of sovereign States inhabited by sovereign peoples who retained the right to sever ties with their fellow constituent member States if they chose to. I am not concerned about a now defunked league of States. My concern is for the States themselves which remain captive nations of a communist empire.

As for you labeling me a "Confederate Goober", I am an Originalist, a Constitutionalist. You who are in league with the very enemies of our Constitution and Founding Fathers have no right to label someone like me as "anti-American".

At least the South has tried to protect millions of unborn babies (majority black) from being murdered. I am very proud of my heritage.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Advocates for social democracy aren't Bolsheviks. In fact, Bolsheviks would abolish capitalism. Social democracy can't function without capitalism. Get educated. I didn't argue that the South fought only to keep slave property and the Union fought only to end slavery. I'm saying the South fought to defend an entire system of oppressive evils, slavery being only one. And the North fought to end the Confederacy, regardless of any good or bad it had to offer. They were the enemy.

The South fought because they were invaded, period. Their invader did not want to lose its cash cow. In the end, as the Hampton Roads Peace Conference proved, the north was willing, all the way to the end of the war, to guarantee the perpetuity of slavery if the seceded States would only lay down their arms. The seceded States were not interested and maintained their struggle for economic and political freedom, with a willingness to sacrifice the institution of slavery to achieve that end. Had maintaining slavery truly been their chief aim, staying in the Union would have guaranteed slavery's continuance.

[aegsm76]

The legal basis for going to war to stop states from seceding was not derived until the late 1850's.
And it was a very tortured legal reasoning by some of the Northern politicians.
I don't have time to search for the links for this, this morning.
Maybe someone else can find.