Psychiatry An Industry Of Death Full Length

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Well if we agree that the definition of repentance as a turning away, then if one strays they would have to repent again. That does not mean they did not repent the first time. I have witnessed so much condemnation related to the "really" repented phrase. I am still OP but I realize as humans we still will err. Then we have to repent, that does not mean we didn't "really" repent the first time.

I believe the only thing unforgivable is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Therefore, all sin can be forgiven both pre and post New Birth. However, how do you know they "really" repented if their struggle to serve Jesus continued?

Also, please reconcile your above post with this verse:

1 John 2:19....These people left our churches, but they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left, it proved that they did not belong with us.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

"Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things we cannot see."

That is a great passages, but please define what you mean by "faith".

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Will you please tell me if Abraham was declared "righteous" by God Himself before he practiced circumcision or after he practiced circumcision?

Ah, now you're real close to why I am asking for your understanding of "faith".

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If I was looking for a reason not to bother with an apostolic church, or a reason to go join the local Presbyterian church, or abandon church altogether, this post would fit the bill perfectly.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Thank you so very much for not poo-pooing away what I know I have seen and heard. I really do appreciate it.

I hope you read ALL I said...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

With all the test and trials a saint of God will go through, I guess any could be used as an excuse to leave one's faith.

No church is perfect, no Pastor is perfect, no human is perfect.

Originally Posted by TK Burk

But I also believe it is during those times that one's straight and narrow walk is defined.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by TK Burk

How's that for "the faith the saves us is the faith that changes us"?

Honestly, I think I received the basis for that phrase sitting in an OP pew, listening to an OP sermon.

I understand how you connected this.

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Therefore, any who uses such things as an excuse to leave that path is really just looking for a way to leave.

I am trying to describe to you the pathology of a sickness that leads to death and not just the outward manifestations of that sickness.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

I hope you read ALL I said...

I did and I am re-reading.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

That is a great passages, but please define what you mean by "faith".

Faith is believing coupled with action. In fact, I am beginning to think that when people try to separate saving faith from repentance, they are trying to do something that the Bible does not do.

However, by separating the two, it supports the foundation of the OP view of salvation.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Ah, now you're real close to why I am asking for your understanding of "faith".

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

I believe the only thing unforgivable is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Therefore, all sin can be forgiven both pre and post New Birth. However, how do you know they "really" repented if their struggle to serve Jesus continued?

Also, please reconcile your above post with this verse:

1 John 2:19....These people left our churches, but they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left, it proved that they did not belong with us.

Honestly brother I don't even wonder about another's repentance. The fact of life is, some struggle more than others . I myself have struggled with one thing that some would consider petty. I have been told that I never "really" repented. I am typical type A personality so it don't bother me. However I have witnessed the same phrase shatter others faith.