The Conservative Case for Single Payer:

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Did he say conservatives, or no? Why did you put it in parentheses if he said conservatives?

Sounds like another liberal who watches too much MSNBC and has been indoctrinated by the media and Bernie Bros.

We were talking about our feeling that the conservatives have sold us out. But it's not just Republicans. It's the Democrats too.

[Aquila]

I think we need to get back to the way it used to be:

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We were talking about our feeling that the conservatives have sold us out. But it's not just Republicans. It's the Democrats too.

You didn't answer the question. Who was "they're?" Was he talking of conservatives, or was he speaking about politicians in general?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I think we need to get back to the way it used to be:

No, no and yes.

I do not believe we should overtax millionaires for simply being rich. That's stupid. Liberals want to penalize success. I don't get the anger and hatred by liberals at those who have worked and become successful. It's absurd. The liberal's message is: "Stay poor and depend on the government to assist you from cradle to the grave!"

I do not support liberal, democrat-leaning unions. I do not support the forced payments to union bosses who turn around and give the money to the Democrats. I don't support union thugs who intimidate, harass and assault innocent citizens.

I do believe in buying American.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

You didn't answer the question. Who was "they're?" Was he talking of conservatives, or was he speaking about politicians in general?

He didn't specify. But we were talking about Trump and the GOP specifically at several points.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

No, no and yes.

I do not believe we should overtax millionaires for simply being rich. That's stupid. Liberals want to penalize success. I don't get the anger and hatred by liberals at those who have worked and become successful. It's absurd.

According to that logic, why tax the rich at all???

The way I see it, we need to close the tax loopholes and shelters that the rich and corporations routinely use to evade paying the legal rate. Because when they do this much needed programs and projects suffer, or we end up paying the difference. Taxation is a social obligation, almost a sacred duty to our society. It's the cost of playing the game. If the loopholes were closed, there might not be a need for much of an increase at all. What, they have two fewer vacation homes or yachts? I don't want to see them broke, but I don't feel sorry for them either. I feel sorry for the working poor, single moms, and widows. Y'all are playing violins for millionaires and billionaires. Trump bragged about not paying taxes and y'all praised him. But y'all don't realize, YOU helped pay the difference. Why aren't you upset with that? Excessive taxation to make up the difference could crush a working man's family. A modest tax increase isn't going to break a millionaire or billionaire. In addition, it won't hurt corporations either. And if we can help them wash their hands of employee healthcare, they'll bank long term.

The liberal's message is: "Stay poor and depend on the government to assist you from cradle to the grave!"

So, you want a nation like the wild west with pickup trucks? Every man for himself?

I do not support liberal, democrat-leaning unions. I do not support the forced payments to union bosses who turn around and give the money to the Democrats. I don't support union thugs who intimidate, harass and assault innocent citizens.

I've been union since 2004. I've had no problem.

I do believe in buying American.

Me too, but it's easier said than done. My Jeep was like 87% American parts. Sometimes it's not so easy.