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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm going to let out the stops here.

It's pathetic self righteous legalists like you who have made the average person so sick of man made religion they've turned from the simplicity of the Gospel to go whoring after sin.

Is the above more of your saga? How when you were a so-called Ultra Con? I have been reading your posts for a while. Since way back when. I don't ever remember you being an ultra conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

So, is that what happened to you Aquila? Are we supposed to believe another level to your story? Is that underneath your starched white long sleeve shirt was a superfreak? Were you driven to unbridled madness because of holiness standards? When you would sing in the choir did your mind race with all uncleanness? Did your mind go places which would make John Wayne Cayce tremble?

Listen crazy person, I've heard all this sad mantra before. From individuals males and females whose religions had certain prohibitions. Guess what? Those prohibition didn't have anything to do with a haircut and a shoeshine.

So, it's like this, you don't need a prescription for psychotropic drugs. You don't need group therapy. You need to grid your pants like a MAN.

Grow up, do some heavy lifting.

Hey, seriously, what size is the neck of your shirts?

Originally Posted by Aquila

It's people like you who have judged, condemned, maligned, and mocked the average hungry soul to the point that they don't trust or believe the stupidity you've turned the Gospel into.

No, that's your job. I read some of your postings last night in the political threads. You may play Mother Teresa now, but listen Cujo, the little boy is locked in the car and you sure won't let mother and child escape.

Wife marched back into the house to go get her head covering? Bro, that had nothing to do with any religion. That had all to do with "character" You want to do this like we are MEN joshing around. But it looks like you are the type who tries to go punch for punch and ends up escalating it into a full blown war. Joshing around, EB, you're an idiot. i'll put you on ignore EB but I'll pray the sinner's prayer for you?

Well, I'll just blow my lunch. Sad, how its your group who turned the Gospel into the Goofpel. You all dump outward separation of dress? To trade it in for helping hands ministry in the local food bank, building your ego at the homeless shelters, and adopting children. While these aren't made of cotton, and polyester. The liberal gets all dressed up in them all the same. Then parades them around to others to show how good they really are. Dead works, without faith, are always dead works.

Originally Posted by Aquila

They don't want your fake, demon infested, white washed, hate filled, fabricated self aggrandizing religion of man. You've been used of Satan himself to turn MILLIONS off concerning the Gospel. The reason why America is what it is today is because of people like YOU.

So, why are you ahead of me? Your groups are larger? Your groups are televised? They have magazines, they have names like Evangelical Apex Network of Community? Bro, seriously, you are the same guy just a different look. The pendulum swings, from left to right, from right to left. You want me to believe that you are better than me, or my people? Yet, over in the political section you had analogorgan tell you he wanted to place you on ignore. You just gave him a snarky remark with a thumbs up emoji. Aquila your path is moving far away from even mainstream Christianity. Your political views indicate this. Used of Satan? As one young man chanted in a rap tune. So come on and chickity-check yo self before you wreck yo self.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Every post you make always includes a personal attack on someone. And you call yourself an evangelist? If you're really an evangelist, why are you on here all the time??? You're not out preaching the gospel, feeding the hungry, or helping the poor. You're here bashing me over women's pants. Lol

It is quite puzzling to me to read the above? To find that the person posting it is frequently here themselves? Aquila, I notice you have no respect for yourself, but have you no shame either?

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're not an evangelist. You're a joke. Get a ministry and get busy, get off your lazy legalistic behind and do something positive. If you were an evangelist, this would be a waste of your time. Lol

Excellent, therefore I can count on you to be first partaker of the fruit. Bravo, we will now see less and less of you. Because you see yourself as quite the minister. So, I absolutely truly feel that you will show everyone how the above should be carried out. When do you start?

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're a white washed, pink pants wearing, fake.

Did you actually know that pink was originally a boys color and blue was for girls? Do you actually know anything prior to holding a discussion with men? Do you spend more time searching Google then really looking into any topic?

Originally Posted by Aquila

There, I'm done. I'm still will behind you on personal insults. But, maybe I'll catch up and we can go to Hell together.

Going to hell with you? No, you can do whatever you please, but I'll opt out on a lake of fire. Now on a serious note. Do you curse? I mean like getting upset and cursing? Let an occasional potty word slip? How about looking at something on the internet, which would make Larry Flynt blush? You see if you are just a secular liberal no one cares about that stuff. You are a liberal, you are supposed to do all that. Yet, Churchmen who are liberal is another story. The world doesn't care how much you look like them, agree with them, vote like them. Even if you have a homosexual ministry. They can't stand the Christian part. Because while you don't believe Deuteronomy 22:5 is for today. They know what it means. They don't care how many times you say your Christianisms to them. Because they are just waiting for you as well as I to drop the watermelon. To drop it real well.

Oh, hope you make a great impact on the world around you. Now that you will no longer be posting here.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Trump is a draft dodging coward. I did my 8 years.

You were drafted?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm going to let out the stops here.

It's pathetic self righteous legalists like you who have made the average person so sick of man made religion they've turned from the simplicity of the Gospel to go whoring after sin. It's people like you who have judged, condemned, maligned, and mocked the average hungry soul to the point that they don't trust or believe the stupidity you've turned the Gospel into. They don't want your fake, demon infested, white washed, hate filled, fabricated self aggrandizing religion of man. You've been used of Satan himself to turn MILLIONS off concerning the Gospel. The reason why America is what it is today is because of people like YOU.

Every post you make always includes a personal attack on someone. And you call yourself an evangelist? If you're really an evangelist, why are you on here all the time??? You're not out preaching the gospel, feeding the hungry, or helping the poor. You're here bashing me over women's pants. Lol

You're not an evangelist. You're a joke. Get a ministry and get busy, get off your lazy legalistic behind and do something positive. If you were an evangelist, this would be a waste of your time. Lol

You're a white washed, pink pants wearing, fake.

There, I'm done. I'm still will behind you on personal insults. But, maybe I'll catch up and we can go to Hell together.

Wow, look at him go!

You git'r'done, Aquila! Let your inner Bolshevik on out so everyone can see. Are you feelin' the Bern? Is this what liberal democrat progessivist love and tolerance looks like?

lol

How's that song go?

"I can see your true colors... shining through..."

Typical liberal democrat. Blame everyone else for everything, especially the results of their own agendas. Definitely got some seething rage against anything that even smells like fundamental Bible-thumping Christianity.

Folks, these snakes whisper sweet nothings in our ears while fantasizing about stacking our bodies like cordwood. Communists have murdered more people in the last 100 years than all wars combined previously in the history of mankind. The papists took some 1200 years to murder 50,000,000, and these guys doubled that in less than 100 years.

Dosvedanya, tovarish.

[Esaias]

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by n david

I find it odd that the outspoken authority on holiness standards, DK Bernard, has responded to the question of UPCI women in India wearing pants as "it's their custom," while yet condemning American women for the same. Either it's okay or it's not. There cannot be exceptions for certain countries because of custom, especially when in the US it's been the custom since the mid-1900s.

Was unaware of this.

[Jason B]

I'm guessing all you UCs really hate T-shirts.

Even got one that says "unisex size M".

Oh, the perversion. What's this world coming to? Men and women both running around in the same garments!

[Esaias]

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

This horse is throughly and sufficiently dead.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

I'm not going to argue the issue. I've been on the sidelines most of this debate because I believe both sides are missing the point. The point isn't how an article of clothing will/won't make a woman Godly; the point is modesty. Again, I've seen numerous apostolic/Pentecostal women who wear skirts and dresses and are the most immodest and ungodly women I've met.

No, Deu 22:5 is not about pants. No, dresses/skirts do not a Godly woman make. And no, I don't know Paul's motivation for not mentioning that a woman should wear only one type of clothing, and neither do you. You can claim that the reason he did so was because there weren't any women wearing pants then, but that's just an assumption which could only be proven had you a time machine to go back to that time period.

I would mention the customs of the day versus the customs today, but I'm not going to argue about it. Nor will I argue the hypocrisy of applying only one part of the law while ignoring the other parts of the law, and doing so while claiming we are not under Moses' law.

I find it odd that the outspoken authority on holiness standards, DK Bernard, has responded to the question of UPCI women in India wearing pants as "it's their custom," while yet condemning American women for the same. Either it's okay or it's not. There cannot be exceptions for certain countries because of custom, especially when in the US it's been the custom since the mid-1900s.

Good point.

[Aquila]

I find it interesting that as far as modesty goes, both sides essentially agree. Dresses and skirts on women are more modest than most pants on a woman.

I believe that Christian women should be encouraged to embrace Christian modesty and to grow into Christian modesty as part of their personal devotion to the Lord. I also believe (and have experienced) a stronger presence of the Spirit in churches wherein modesty and personal holiness are valued and devotionally aspired to. Turning our focus from the law to modesty also allows us to give individual women time to search their own hearts and seek deeper experiences in modesty as God leads them personally. And for those women who chose to continue wearing pants, approaching modesty as a personal devotion also provides a context wherein we can be patient and understanding. It gives us a context n which we can encourage women who do wear pants to wear longer shirts or blouses, to not wear their pants too tight, and to generally seek a level of modesty even though they continue to wear pants. Focusing on Christian modesty as it relates to dress provides a context of encouragement and inspiration, patience and understanding, love and grace.

I have also witnessed the emotional and spiritual abuse that can be born of legalistically approaching the issue from the perspective of the Law. Deuteronomy 22:5 speaks of an abomination. If this is applied to women's pants, then women wearing pants are abominations regardless of era or culture. God never indicated that we should give someone time to become convicted about an abomination. God never said that someone can practice an abomination and still claim to be saved. God never indicated that someone can actively engage in an abomination and still be welcomed into fellowship. The law "demands" immediate conformity.

As a result, there are churches who have used Deuteronomy 22:5 as a "clobber passage" to beat up on women. It is often used to try to "force" women to dress to a certain standard through the fear of being condemned by God. It has been used to disfellowship women who simply have yet to understand or see the deeper reality of Christian modesty. Many young girls were "forced" into wearing dresses or skirts and told that they'd go to Hell if they ever put on a pair of pants. And it isn't uncommon for many of those women to abandon Christian modesty and actually resist the notion of ever wearing dresses and skirts again.

Ultimately both sides of the debate wish to see women aspiring to Christian modesty and holiness. Both sides essentially feel that for women, Christian modesty is best reflected in the wearing of dresses and skirts. However, only one side is appealing to the Law and not Grace. Only one side is appealing to the Letter and not the Spirit.