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[Esaias]

Originally Posted by madras

He just called me a dog.

No he did not. He asked you a question.

Ever heard the saying "toss a rock into a pack of dogs and the one who yelps is likely the one who got hit"? It's another way of saying those who complain most about a message are usually those who's umbrage shows they "art the man".

In other words, he was likely asking "Does the shoe fit, or not? If not, don't sweat it."

Or, he could have just been asking about your pic. I see someone in the pic (a shoulder?) holding a puppy?

BTW, cute puppy. Maybe you could just ask him "Why do you ask that?" Brother Benincasa is not a monster, he doesn't hate or despise you.

Ask him, rather than assume bad things (evil surmising?) about his meaning.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Thank you my brother.

[madras]

You are quite the apologist.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Jesus' people? So America is Jesus' people? LOL

No, I was referring to Christ's people, in America.

They can't even figure out what an abomination is and believe Deuteronomy 22:5 only pertains to Caitlin Jenner.

Cross dressing is an abomination. It's a perversion.

Well, guess what, the remnant isn't going to church in a wife beater T shirt, with his wife in a pair of Daisy Dukes.

The remnant exist in varying degrees of sanctification. It's a journey. However, I don't believe they'll feel comfortable in wife-beaters and Daisy Dukes for long. The Spirit will convict them.

I'm not sweatin it son, if I was the last man standing I wouldn't break a sweat. I know the goodness of God, and seen great things and horrific things happen in my own life. All while serving Jesus Christ. My worst day in the Apostolic Pentecostal Church is better than my best, very best day when I was in the World.

Amen, I agree.

And it sure ain't a female wearing pants.

I wouldn't go that far. I've felt the witness of the Spirit come from women in pants, and I've smacked a bee hive of devil's in women wearing dresses.

You're too caught up with outer forms and fashions. There's a common sense balance.

You mean Elijah who was wearing his "Jesus loves everyone, but I'm His favorite" shirt?

I've never obsessed over the shirt Elijah might have worn.

The ones who bowed their knees to Baal were all in unsex attire. Listening to Elton John singing Silent Night. But since they LOVED each other and LOVED all the Sodomites around them. They were thought to be so spiritual. So everyone went to their church gatherings all hugged each other saying how much they LOVED one another. Then went out to the parking lot drove away in their cars ripping each other apart in their minds.

What??? LOL

Yes, be encouraged Elijah. Because one day in the far off future everything you fought for will be reduced to nonsense.

That's why we shouldn't fight for nonsense. I know a preacher who preached against having the internet. He taught that if you allowed the internet into your home you'd "split hell wide open". His logic was that it contains worse content than television. He confided in me that he wishes that he would have never preached that. Though well meaning, he fought for nonsense.

Where the followers of God will be judged by the LOVE they have for one another in public, and the hidden loathing they have within their hearts. Aquila, politicians kiss babies, and smile, with love you on their lips. Yet, behind closed doors they curse the people and rob them blind. Love isn't what you do when surrounded by the pack, but what you are in the dark. Away from everyone, where the group cannot see you. It is in the marrow of your bones, it is tested when you are haven't an audience.

We agree.

Oh, was that when he was having a Bible study at Starbucks? When they gave him the Frappuccino instead of the triple venti white Mocha?

Starbucks? Frappuccino? Triple Venti White Mocha? Unless they are sin, does it matter?

Your spirit can get just as nasty, maybe even more so? You see the guy and gal wearing the Ultra Con attire is an easy target. The guy and gal dressed like the rest of the population blends in with the crowd.

I see the "ultra-con" attire as an extreme form of fashion that betrays the very concept of modesty and having no extreme of style. In fact, their "standard" is a style, a form and fashion, of their organization. It's just as worldly as Hollywood, and proves nothing more than if they wore burkas, saris, rosaries, miters, habits, or any other "religious" attire.

Love is a fruit of the Holy Ghost, it is the same God love that was in the Old Testament. Nothing changed, the same God pouring fire and brimstone on the Sodomites, was the same who is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the World. No one loves on command. Making people feel like garbage because they aren't as much as a glad hander as you. Is just as bad as making one feel like garbage because they are forced to look like they walked out of Hazelwood Missouri.

If one isn't loving, they should be made to feel bad. It is a command of Scripture that is far more specific than the subject of pants.

John 13:35
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

1 Peter 4:8
8 Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins.

Romans 13:10
10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

I could go on and on, there are hundreds of verses. The command to love, or be loving, is more prominent than anything regarding pants, sleeves, etc. And yes, love often requires rebuke. But many use this as an excuse to walk around and beat everyone up.

I'm not beating you up. I'm just saying that were called to do two things, love God and love others. A Spirit led, divine love, will lead one to true holiness.

I rest my case.

Being honest is a Christian virtue. That would require that one properly quote me and not pluck something I said out of context. I wrote,

But that's an issue with the one who's stomach turns at the notion of loving another, not the one who admonishes love. In fact, if one's stomach turns as they are encouraged to love... that is a SERIOUS indicator of a deep spiritual issue. There's a good chance they aren't even saved. Because if one truly understands the seriousness of sin and the price that was paid for our salvation, how guilty they are before God, and how badly they do deserve Hell... and how God forgave them and gives them grace... how can they not love others and desire the same for them? So, if one claiming to be born again absolutely cannot love another, even an enemy...their salvation is in jeopardy.

If you were REALLY SAVED!

If you were REALLY REALLY SAVED, you would do X Y and Z

Like wear pants?

It's sad when one's focus is more on attire than love. Such only demonstrates a rather superficial faith.

Every single religion and schism from Dan to Beersheba sings the same song. Whether it's no male attire on a female, or sticky sweet love bombing preachers. You see the ultra con to you is just Joan Crawford in Mommy Dearest beating the snot out of the sheep. He is slicing the flesh off the saints of God, roasting their children in front of the eyes of the parents. While that might happen somewhere sometimes. The same things happen in a church where they have no standards. Listen friend, Jim Jones didn't have standards but he had sweet LOVE messages. He would burn ultraconservative preachers from his pulpit. Blast what he precieved to be the starchy religious. Moses David Berg leader of the Children of God, didn't have standards of attire. He would rip up anyone who said that Deuteronomy 22:5 was applicable today. But, he preached LOVE, sweet sugary love and beads to the 1960s Jesus Freaks. He made a mess out of his people and their children.

Men in funny hats and funny religious clothing have been burning the commonly dressed people of God at the stake for centuries.

I wasn't talking about nudists. Just my sarcasm for the Liberals who dump standards of attire but replace those standards with their idea of LOVE.

Love is not always gushy or pleasant. Love often roars. Love rebukes. Love will protect. And I've learned that if believers are taught how to be led of the Spirit, if they allow their love to be led of the Spirit, they don't go around beating people up... but when the Spirit bids them to speak sharply and to rebuke sin, they do.

But when focusing on what love is, we do well to focus on Paul's description of agape love:

I Corinthians 13:4-8 (ESV)
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never ends.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by madras

He just called me a dog.

I know. But he'll evade that reality based on how he worded it. But anyone with any common sense can see that he called you a dog. And when I read it, I was rather shocked. You didn't do anything to deserve that. I'm sorry you were treated this way. His version of "holiness" is mainly focused on attire and religious performance. It isn't a holiness of spirit that can only be born of love. Else, he'd not have spoken as he did. You saw how he hyper-exaggerated what I meant by love and flew into a sarcastic tirade against the very idea. Jesus said to the Pharisees,

Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

His statement reveals the condition of his heart.

To a woman who has beautiful little dog in her avatar mentioned the dripping sarcasm in his post, this man wrote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It isn't meant for you.

Is that a picture of you in your avatar?

First, this is a spirit.

Second, this proves my point.

Third, someone should repent and seek a fresh baptism of Spirit.

And the simple truth is, most born again women who wear pants have more decency than this.

While I love Bro. Ben... I can't defend him on this one. I have to say, you deserve a public apology.

[madras]

[madras]

Aquila,

I do not need a public apology or any apology for the mater.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by madras

You are quite the apologist.

He is quite an apologist. But, do you believe he's telling the truth?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by madras

Aquila,

I do not need a public apology or any apology for the mater.

You're just going to let the dogs bark???

I'm still sorry he wasn't more careful with his words. Bro. Ben is often more like a shock-jock radio personality than a man of the cloth. It's been a fad to behave like that for quite a while in Pentecostalism. While times are slowly changing, some are still holding on.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

No he did not. He asked you a question.

Ever heard the saying "toss a rock into a pack of dogs and the one who yelps is likely the one who got hit"? It's another way of saying those who complain most about a message are usually those who's umbrage shows they "art the man".

In other words, he was likely asking "Does the shoe fit, or not? If not, don't sweat it."

Or, he could have just been asking about your pic. I see someone in the pic (a shoulder?) holding a puppy?

BTW, cute puppy. Maybe you could just ask him "Why do you ask that?" Brother Benincasa is not a monster, he doesn't hate or despise you.

Ask him, rather than assume bad things (evil surmising?) about his meaning.

Really?

Bro. Ben is a big boy. And he's quite eloquent. He knew exactly how it would be taken. And that's why he said it.

Personally, I wouldn't enable him. Enabler. lol