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02-03-2017, 05:01 PM
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Re: Nathaniel Haney accused of hate speech
It is noteworthy our Lord did not mention pagan gods in any of the gospel accounts.
The riot at Ephesus deserves more attention and I need to think it through.
But there is no steady negative rhetoric of other religions in the epistles.
I interact with a wide range of citizens in a role I play in Wisconsin. I listen and do not judge beliefs that are different from my own. But I do apologize for my beliefs. There is a balance to it. Slandering or speaking in a demeaning way of other belief systems does not contribute to the democratic process.
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02-03-2017, 11:06 PM
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Re: Nathaniel Haney accused of hate speech
I think the Acts 19 situation wasn't really about "Great is Diana of the Ephesians", but was first a false flag operation undertaken by the local Diana shrine maker to work over the idol makers who then became worried that an en masse conversion to Christianity was going to cost them their bottom-line, so they fomented a rage against Paul to save their profit margins, and Demetrius laughed all the way to the bank.
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02-04-2017, 02:33 AM
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Re: Nathaniel Haney accused of hate speech
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The lady who recorded Bro. Haney's message has placed the church in far more danger than anything he said. I don't know the context of his words because the news clip only placed in their bits and pieces. I don't think it is fair to fragment a man's message like that. Those who view the news don't what came before and behind his comments. This is a sad story for religious freedom.
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She got her 10 min
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02-04-2017, 09:11 AM
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Re: Nathaniel Haney accused of hate speech
As the norms of society move further and further away from biblical truths the demonization of churches, pastors, and saints of the same will just increase.
Did you guys see where recently that couple from Waco Texas who have a popular show on HGTV were trashed by the LGBT community as well as mainstream media because there was video of their church pastor speaking out, in a very measured and mild way, against gay marriage? It blows my mind that in just a few short years we have moved to the point that holding a view of marriage that has been held for thousands of years in Western Civilization is suddenly something horribly wrong and makes you a terrible and intolerant person.
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02-04-2017, 09:32 AM
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Re: Nathaniel Haney accused of hate speech
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As the norms of society move further and further away from biblical truths the demonization of churches, pastors, and saints of the same will just increase.
Did you guys see where recently that couple from Waco Texas who have a popular show on HGTV were trashed by the LGBT community as well as mainstream media because there was video of their church pastor speaking out, in a very measured and mild way, against gay marriage? It blows my mind that in just a few short years we have moved to the point that holding a view of marriage that has been held for thousands of years in Western Civilization is suddenly something horribly wrong and makes you a terrible and intolerant person.
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02-04-2017, 09:36 AM
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Re: Nathaniel Haney accused of hate speech
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Originally Posted by CC1
As the norms of society move further and further away from biblical truths the demonization of churches, pastors, and saints of the same will just increase.
Did you guys see where recently that couple from Waco Texas who have a popular show on HGTV were trashed by the LGBT community as well as mainstream media because there was video of their church pastor speaking out, in a very measured and mild way, against gay marriage? It blows my mind that in just a few short years we have moved to the point that holding a view of marriage that has been held for thousands of years in Western Civilization is suddenly something horribly wrong and makes you a terrible and intolerant person.
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The special snowflakes in our society refuse to grow up. They think if they throw enough temper tantrums that we'll just cave into them. And you know what, we have. That's a major part of why society has spiraled out of control, because we didn't tell the children 'no'. We finally reached a breaking point, and are giving them the figurative spanking that they've needed for years. That's why there's so much anguish on the left, because they don't like being spanked.
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Sometimes hidden dangers spring on us suddenly. Those are out of our control. But when one can see the danger, and then refuses to arrest , all in the name of "God is in control", they are forfeiting God given, preventive opportunities.
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02-04-2017, 10:17 AM
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Re: Nathaniel Haney accused of hate speech
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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta
It is noteworthy our Lord did not mention pagan gods in any of the gospel accounts.
The riot at Ephesus deserves more attention and I need to think it through.
But there is no steady negative rhetoric of other religions in the epistles.
I interact with a wide range of citizens in a role I play in Wisconsin. I listen and do not judge beliefs that are different from my own. But I do apologize for my beliefs. There is a balance to it. Slandering or speaking in a demeaning way of other belief systems does not contribute to the democratic process.
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Paul taught that other religions were devil-worship, that the gods were "dumb idols", that pagan religion was "the table of demons" and of Belial, etc.
Jesus told a Samaritan woman she and her whole religious community and nation didn't know what they worshipped and that the religion of the Judeans, His own people, was superior and exclusively right.
Jesus regularly thumped other denominations as a matter of routine, and it basically got Him crucified.
Stephen was martyred because he told a religious people they were apostates, stiff-necked and rebellious, and always on the wrong side of right.
The Old Testament, 3/4ths of the entire Word of God, barely goes one or two chapters without denouncing all other religions as stupid, foolish, evil, abominable, execrable, disgusting, and DESERVING OF DEATH.
The Bible is "hate speech" in its purest form, and that's why modern sissy snowflakes - in and out of the church - choke on it so much.
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02-04-2017, 12:35 PM
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This is still that!
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Re: Nathaniel Haney accused of hate speech
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Originally Posted by CC1
As the norms of society move further and further away from biblical truths the demonization of churches, pastors, and saints of the same will just increase.
Did you guys see where recently that couple from Waco Texas who have a popular show on HGTV were trashed by the LGBT community as well as mainstream media because there was video of their church pastor speaking out, in a very measured and mild way, against gay marriage? It blows my mind that in just a few short years we have moved to the point that holding a view of marriage that has been held for thousands of years in Western Civilization is suddenly something horribly wrong and makes you a terrible and intolerant person.
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I just got my BOTT CDs in the mail, and this is how Bro Bernard begins his message, saying God is giving us a window of revival.
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02-04-2017, 03:11 PM
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crakjak
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Re: Nathaniel Haney accused of hate speech
"...those kinds of underwear....? How does he know what kind of underwear that all those men wear?? LOL, not a fan of this kind of preaching, it is not the gospel.
I do think this world has gone crazy!!! Whining about any and everything someone says!! But what do you expect from people that elected Gov. Moonbeam in CA.
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02-04-2017, 04:10 PM
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Re: Nathaniel Haney accused of hate speech
There was considerable tension between Judaism and early Christianity. But these were, at the time, 2 aspects of the same faith. They were not completely different religions.
Our Lord did criticize those of his own faith, he did not specifically slander other religions of the ancient near east. He could have, he did not.
This example by our Lord is noteworthy.
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