Jesus had humanity

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Another thread saw Esaias make this point after a brother questioned if it was oneness to believe Jesu had to be GUIDED by DEITY.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Maybe you do not understand Oneness doctrine as well as you thought you did?

I think this is an area oneness needs to be clarified in.

What is often missed and misunderstood is that there was a humanity to Jesus that included more than his body. He had a human soul or mind. That mind had to LEARN to rely on the Spirit just like we do. Everything about His humanity is identical to ours, but for the fact he was born sinless. He operated in the Spirit precisely the way in which we should. In fact, I can think of few other reasons he lived 30 years before ministering than to show us humanity has to learn to walk after God.

He had to pray. Deity doesn't have to pray! But His humanity did!

He had to deny his flesh from yielding to temptations, because we read he was actually tempted in all points as we are (!), but he never gave in one time.

We constantly read about a distinction between His humanity and deity when He indicated it wasn't him doing the work, but the Father IN HIM. And He could do nothing except the FATHER in Him did it through Him. As a man HE LIVED by the Father as we are supposed to live by Him.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

How do we LIVE BY JESUS? We rely on His guidance and must be sensitive to hear Him lead us and obey when we recognize it. That's how Jesus lived of the Father. He said the same way He lived of the Father is how we must live of Him.

So many oneness people see the dity of Jesus, but they overshadow his humanity and don't realize it was like ours, with a need to learn and mature and follow direction.

WHen he was a baby he could not speak! Whatever they used for diapers had to be changed. He was not pretending when he said, "goo goo and gaga"

We even read HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE. How can deity LEARN? It can't. But humanity can and Jesus had humanity and did LEARN.

He BECAME perfect. You can only BECOME perfect if you are imperfect in a sense.

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

He was not the author of salvation until he was perfected through suffering and learned obedience by that suffering.

Folks, he had HUMANITY like we do! Not just deity!

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Folks, he had HUMANITY like we do! Not just deity!

Folks,He WAS human like we are (except He was sinless) Not deity,scripture calls it ANOINTED without measure

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Originally Posted by SRM

Folks, he had HUMANITY like we do! Not just deity!

Folks,He WAS human like we are (except He was sinless) Not deity,scripture calls it ANOINTED without measure

He had deity because we read He called Himself almighty in Rev 1:8, and John 12:41 has John calling Isaiah's vision in Isa 6:1 the glory of Jesus! And Isaiah 6:1 calls Jesus LORD.... That is, God. His flesh was certainly ANOINTED. But His person was GOD.

Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

John 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
John 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

Also, in order to partake of flesh and blood one has to be in existence before one has flesh and blood. Otherwise, it's not a choice and it's redundant to say.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

And to COME in flesh means one has to exist beforehand to be able to COME there that way.

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

[TJJJ]

The Christ was humanity, the Father was diety.

The humanity of Christ ceased at the ascension on the mount of olives and is now evident in the Church.

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

The Christ was humanity, the Father was diety.

The humanity of Christ ceased at the ascension on the mount of olives and is now evident in the Church.

Half right and half incorrect.

As a man Jesus is currently high priest. If he was on earth he should not be a priest. And since Zechariah said he would be priest upon His throne, and God cannot be a priest, and since He's seated in heaven's throne, then the man is currently ruling from heaven. He rules as Adam should have ruled earth, AS MAN. The LAST MAN Adam.

Here do these ideas come from saying He is no longer man? Not scripture. We currently have THE MAN as intercessor.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

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It's interesting the humanity of Jesus is considered by some to no longer exist. As seed of David Jesus currently rules from the throne of David. He has to be a man to be the seed of David. Without humanity, that prophecy never came to pass and never will!

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Another note.

Satan hates the idea of a man ruling over him. Ever since God told the serpent that the seed of the woman would crush his head, the devil set out the destroy any shadow of who that seed might be. Cain, Isaac, Moses, etc.

That's the reason the devil would call him son of God BUT NEVER SON OF MAN. And it's also why the spirit of antichrist refuses to say Jesus was manifest in flesh.

And that humanity continues as the seed of David on the throne right now.

But while some deny His humanity, others deny His deity! He called Himself Almighty in Rev 1:8.

There is one God and JESUS is His name.

[SRM]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Another note.

Satan hates the idea of a man ruling over him. Ever since God told the serpent that the seed of the woman would crush his head, the devil set out the destroy any shadow of who that seed might be. Cain, Isaac, Moses, etc.

That's the reason the devil would call him son of God BUT NEVER SON OF MAN. And it's also why the spirit of antichrist refuses to say Jesus was manifest in flesh.

And that humanity continues as the seed of David on the throne right now.

But while some deny His humanity, others deny His deity! He called Himself Almighty in Rev 1:8.

There is one God and JESUS is His name.

Clever clergy has colored the verse...but the verse is not red in other versions.I suppose if it is NOT KV it is not THE Bible in some circles

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by SRM

Clever clergy has colored the verse...but the verse is not red in other versions.I suppose if it is NOT KV it is not THE Bible in some circles

The color of the verse? Nah

The whole context is makes it obvious, that the one died and is now alive evermore is the one who identifies Himself as Almighty. It's not complicated.

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Originally Posted by SRM

Clever clergy has colored the verse...but the verse is not red in other versions.I suppose if it is NOT KV it is not THE Bible in some circles

We can't change the bible in order to discuss an issue. Without a common foundation in the discussion there can't be a discussion.

The colors have nothing to do with what's being said. No original writings used red ink.

Forget red ink and read the context. I read it in black ink for everything and it's plain to me Jesus said to John He is Almighty.