Social conservatives almost gave us Gore 2000

[Originalist]

I am also a social conservative. But the story of Bush's hidden DWI didn't suppress my desire to see Al Gore defeated.

The 2000 campaign featured a November curveball: Word surfaced five days before the election that GOP nominee George W. Bush had been arrested on a misdemeanor drunken driving charge in 1976. Republicans said the release of 24-year-old information at such a time was a Democratic dirty trick, and a Democratic activist acknowledged he had tipped off reporters.

Bush won anyway, but many of his advisers still think the news depressed turnout among social conservatives to make the race much closer than it would have been otherwise, says Dan Schnur, director of the University of Southern California's political institute and a veteran of John McCain's 2000 presidential campaign.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/92908...a-election-day

[Originalist]

Ah those "principled conservatives" who failed at electing Al Gore in 2000 will successfully elect Hillary in 2016.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Ah those "principled conservatives" who failed at electing Al Gore in 2000 will successfully elect Hillary in 2016.

Yawn. Don't blame your failed candidate on people who can't violate their conscious by voting for this clown.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Christian folks voting for Trump because the alternative is Hillary and expecting Trump to be some religious freedom zealot, particularly friendly to Christians would be as naive as voting for Nero (who had a decent 10 year stretch before Rome caught fire) and he needed a scapegoat.

Trump isn't going to stop the decline of the nation. I'm not saying he'd turn on Christians and bring on persecution BUT I'll say this, he's no friend of biblical Christianity. He's playing ya'll. He won't stick up for our values if the majority want the opposite. He won't step in to stop cases of injustice, lawsuits, etc against Christians. The man is a proven liar, a narcisstic egotist, a pseudo Christian, an admitted adulterer (with no regrets, saying even that he has never asked God for forgiveness because he has nothing that he needs to be forgiven for). He's corrupt as can be (why he wont release tax returns, because they'll expose his lies), he insults everyone, it's never a bad time for him to make a personal insult or a sexual innuedo. He's a casino tycoon, making money off of one of the dirtiest industries in America (in my opinion third only to porn and alcohol, and his wife has ties to porn, probably Donald somewhere to).

The picture of Jerry Falawell Jr is symbolic of how Trump is playing Christians, and how STUPID some are for buying it. (The picture I'm talking about is where Falawell, his wife and Trump pose for a picture in Trumps office, and directly in the background amongst several framed magazines on the wall is an issue of Playboy).....oh but Trump cares. Trump's gonna save our nation. Trump's gonna preserve our freedom. Trump's going to be our hero and preserve our freedom of speech, so we can preach against homosexuality without the threat of a hate speech arrest...yeah right. The same guy who waffled on men using womens restrooms and eventually came down on the same side as the liberals. The guy whose talked about the possibility of nuking Europe. The guy who built his whole campaign on a wall and deportation and has already backed far away from that.

This guy is a ding dong. Christians following him are equally foolish. Still my brethren, but man ya'll aten't even thinking straight.

I know the response "Oh, oh, YOU must want Hillary. Just tell your grandkids you stayed home."

To which I say: pfft whatever. I'll gladly tell my grandkids I stayed home. 2016 is not any more critical than 2008 or 2012, and 2020 will be equally critical for many of the same reasons plus some new ones, and probably 2024 and so on. Especially as we move towards the return of the Lord, things will likely get worse before they get better. *But* that doesn't mean I'm not optimistic. See Hillary can't do anything in our nation in 4 years that God can't undo. Obama and the Supreme Court can't do anything God can't undo.

I say to you who fret over Clinton as though Trump is infinitely more desirable, God is still sovereign. If we have wicked rulers (and this election is 6 of one a half dozen of the other) its our fault. We as a nation love wickedness and now we reap what we sow. We as the church (in general) compromised with the world, watered down the gospel, quit preaching sin and repentance, and strengthened the hand of evil doers because of personal gain and social acceptance. We're now filled with seeker sensitive, worldly, homosexual affirming churches. Our nation languishes in darkness because we have failed to give them light. Not just now, but in the 80s, the 60s, the 20s. We have grown progressively worse as a people.

But even still, many great revivals in church history (especially in the West) follow a deep decline in cultural morality, a deadness in the church, and a people brought face to face with their need for God. It may yet get much worse before it gets better. It may not get better until Christ comes. Either way eventually its going to get better, even if God chooses to use our generations blood (or our grandkids) to advance His cause and purpose in the earth.

So vote for Trump if you want, but save your fearmongering sky is falling if you stay home and Hillary wins rhetoric for Sean Hannity. God's got this, if we concentrate our efforts, and teach our children and grand children to serve Him, its all going to turn out good in the end anyway, whatever road we take to get there.

So don't judge me if I can't vote for a man who embodies the works of the flesh. I can't vote for a woman who worships Molech either. But I'm not concerned about it because in 4 years we'll hear the same things again.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I am also a social conservative. But the story of Bush's hidden DWI didn't suppress my desire to see Al Gore defeated.




http://bigstory.ap.org/article/92908...a-election-day

No, what almost gave us Gore in 2000, was the Lame-Stream media broadcasting that the polls had closed in the western panhandle of Florida, before the polls actually closed there (the panhandle region is in the Central time zone, not Eastern). Also, they called the state for Gore, when the polls were still open. Those two factors, combined together to suppress the voter turnout.

And as we all recall, the Florida votes were a key deciding factor in the election. Nevertheless, Gore never won the popular vote (despite what some LIEberals will claim). The closest he came, was a ruling from the state supreme court, that violated the election rules (a ruling that was later overturned, and which was upheld by the SCOTUS).

I don't believe the DWI story made a huge difference at that point. If anything, the fact that the Bush family isn't conservative, is more likely what hurt him more. Yet, he still won. Twice, no less.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jito463

No, what almost gave us Gore in 2000, was the Lame-Stream media broadcasting that the polls had closed in the western panhandle of Florida, before the polls actually closed there (the panhandle region is in the Central time zone, not Eastern). Also, they called the state for Gore, when the polls were still open. Those two factors, combined together to suppress the voter turnout.

And as we all recall, the Florida votes were a key deciding factor in the election. Nevertheless, Gore never won the popular vote (despite what some LIEberals will claim). The closest he came, was a ruling from the state supreme court, that violated the election rules (a ruling that was later overturned, and which was upheld by the SCOTUS).

I don't believe the DWI story made a huge difference at that point. If anything, the fact that the Bush family isn't conservative, is more likely what hurt him more. Yet, he still won. Twice, no less.

While the west Florida vote scam almost cost us Florida, polls did plunge over the DWI story. That is a fact.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Originalist

While the west Florida vote scam almost cost us Florida, polls did plunge over the DWI story. That is a fact.

No, that is an opinion, and you're welcome to hold it. I simply disagree. I repeat your quote from the OP.

Bush won anyway, but many of his advisers still think the news depressed turnout

In other words, that is their opinion, but it's not a confirmed fact. I'm not looking to argue with you about it, I simply want to make a clear distinction between fact and opinion.

[Esaias]

Nobody knows how many voted for who, and never will, until we at least get rid of the hackathon machines.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jito463

No, that is an opinion, and you're welcome to hold it. I simply disagree. I repeat your quote from the OP.



In other words, that is their opinion, but it's not a confirmed fact. I'm not looking to argue with you about it, I simply want to make a clear distinction between fact and opinion.

Research was done on this. It's been common knowledge for years.

Trump and Hillary are tied in national polls. The battleground State polls are starting to reflect the national polling as well. Trump does this well with only 78% of GOP voter support. This means it is that petty, silly 22% of Never Trump GOP voters who are holding back a decisive Trump win. If any other Republican was the candidate right now, they would lose about 30% of the support Trump enjoys now. Even if the 22% of GOP voters who won't back Trump are factored back, that still puts the GOP candidate at 8 points lower than where Trump is now. Indeed, your type of thinker abandoned Bush in 2000 and almost cost us the election. You're committing the same shortsighted, self-righteous act now.