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05-03-2016, 04:21 PM
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Re: UPCI drop minister without notice?
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Originally Posted by Reader
Comical. It appears he is basing whether or not he is in the UPC by what is or isn't received in his mailbox. They have been digitizing many things so not as much is mailed. No one is ever removed without notification, even if it is only non-payment of dues.
North America seems to see little numerical growth and it has been this way for years. Most of their numbers come from overseas. Numbers in NA have been skewed for years once they started counting preaching points/daughter works where sometimes most that attend are from the home church.
As to numbers at youth events, many of those attending will later leave. They are not indicative of an organizations growth but only attendance at these special events.
Bernard has done much to help financially, in my opinion, and has pressed for apostolic identitity since before becoming GS.
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Agree with some of this.
I would say that numbers at youth events have increased fairly rapidly, since the WPF pastors left.
Which is ironic, because the WPF youth events have also increased fairly rapidly since the early days.
I would say that an increase of attendance at youth events are indicative of an increase, provided the percentage "leaving" remains constant.
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05-03-2016, 05:55 PM
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Re: UPCI drop minister without notice?
Back to the original post / question - I think, as others have said, there must be more to this story than the pastor is sharing. Clearly the UPC does not just drop ministers from its roles on a whim.
I think the theory that he didn't pay his dues and was dropped is the most likely but it also could be some other thing with the district. I would be willing to bet the farm that the pastor knows a lot more of the "why" than he is sharing.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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05-04-2016, 01:23 AM
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Re: UPCI drop minister without notice?
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Originally Posted by Reader
Comical. It appears he is basing whether or not he is in the UPC by what is or isn't received in his mailbox. They have been digitizing many things so not as much is mailed. No one is ever removed without notification, even if it is only non-payment of dues.
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He is no longer listed in the directory. I think he is hiding something from the congregation.
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05-04-2016, 01:24 AM
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Re: UPCI drop minister without notice?
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Back to the original post / question - I think, as others have said, there must be more to this story than the pastor is sharing. Clearly the UPC does not just drop ministers from its roles on a whim.
I think the theory that he didn't pay his dues and was dropped is the most likely but it also could be some other thing with the district. I would be willing to bet the farm that the pastor knows a lot more of the "why" than he is sharing.
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I agree. That is what I told my friend.
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05-04-2016, 06:48 AM
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Re: UPCI drop minister without notice?
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Originally Posted by CC1
Back to the original post / question - I think, as others have said, there must be more to this story than the pastor is sharing. Clearly the UPC does not just drop ministers from its roles on a whim.
I think the theory that he didn't pay his dues and was dropped is the most likely but it also could be some other thing with the district. I would be willing to bet the farm that the pastor knows a lot more of the "why" than he is sharing.
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05-04-2016, 07:48 AM
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Re: UPCI drop minister without notice?
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Originally Posted by CC1
Back to the original post / question - I think, as others have said, there must be more to this story than the pastor is sharing. Clearly the UPC does not just drop ministers from its roles on a whim.
I think the theory that he didn't pay his dues and was dropped is the most likely but it also could be some other thing with the district. I would be willing to bet the farm that the pastor knows a lot more of the "why" than he is sharing.
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I agree, he might think, to his congregation it would sound better for him to say they "dropped me" which can be conceived as truth. Because they will drop you for non payment of dues, but the bottom line is you know it is coming.
Having been a card carrying general licensed minster for over 10 years, in UPCI, never had I heard of UPCI ever dropping any minister without notice. I just does not happen.
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05-08-2016, 07:36 AM
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Re: UPCI drop minister without notice?
Depending on WHO you are , you can HIDE your Faults if you have the RIGHT LAST NAME and keep your License. It's really sad the politics I have witnessed over the years.
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05-08-2016, 07:45 AM
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Re: UPCI drop minister without notice?
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Depending on WHO you are , you can HIDE your Faults if you have the RIGHT LAST NAME and keep your License. It's really sad the politics I have witnessed over the years.
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LBC, its like this, no matter where you go or what you do you will bump into the human experience. Yet, what you need to do is move forward and live for God. There are a lot of great Apostolic One God people out there. You can be one of them. Just don't focus on hurt feelings or offenses because they will be popping up for the rest of your life. There is no Brigadoon, or Shangri La here on earth, and Thomas More's Utopia can never be achieved. It is all up to you, who do you want to be? Do you want to put on Christ, or do you want to get bitter?
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05-08-2016, 09:06 AM
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Re: UPCI drop minister without notice?
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Ministers are dropping the UPCI. 
I love my UPCI brethren, but as far as I am concerned the UPCI is becoming more irrelevant with each passing day. Sure they were great and did much good, but it has become old and tired.
It is time for either the old stale leadership to resign in mass and let the new generation take over or for new organizations to be formed from the bones of the UPCI.
The UPCI has become stuck, and not longer moving forward. It is time for the Oneness believers to get of that broken bandwagon and move on ahead. |
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Ouch! What particular things should they move forward about?
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
Are they really moving forward?
what is their actual growth rate?
Have they righted themselves?
I see no problem in some leaving the UPCI to start their own organizations, perhaps the new move of God will come from those new organizations.
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I'm interested in hearing your response to good samaritan's post. What things do you believe the UPCI needs to move forward on, and - in addition to that - what precisely would you consider "moving forward"?
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05-08-2016, 10:14 AM
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Re: UPCI drop minister without notice?
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Originally Posted by Jito463
I'm interested in hearing your response to good samaritan's post. What things do you believe the UPCI needs to move forward on, and - in addition to that - what precisely would you consider "moving forward"?
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As an outsider, I only know a little bit of what is going on in the UPCI, but the biggest complaint I hear is the legalistic cultic-like rules of the UPCI.
Of course I hear many other things, but this seems to be the biggest point of discontentment, it seems that many UPCI people are not happy of having becoming typed like the Amish, who must wear a certain "uniform" to be considered part of the saved, otherwise they are shunned.
This seems to be one of the reason many young people are leaving the UPCI.
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