UPCI drop minister without notice?

[seguidordejesus]

The real miracle here is that someone stopped receiving junk mail.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Ministers are dropping the UPCI.

I love my UPCI brethren, but as far as I am concerned the UPCI is becoming more irrelevant with each passing day. Sure they were great and did much good, but it has become old and tired.
It is time for either the old stale leadership to resign in mass and let the new generation take over or for new organizations to be formed from the bones of the UPCI.

The UPCI has become stuck, and not longer moving forward. It is time for the Oneness believers to get of that broken bandwagon and move on ahead.

More "flaming" here! Lol.
Actually UPC is moving forward and seems to have righted itself after several ministers left for the WPF.
And the WPF seems to be growing, as well.
The ones I worry about are those who leave to go to no organization.
Seen too many fall off the deep end.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

The real miracle here is that someone stopped receiving junk mail.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

More "flaming" here! Lol.
Actually UPC is moving forward and seems to have righted itself after several ministers left for the WPF.
And the WPF seems to be growing, as well.
The ones I worry about are those who leave to go to no organization.
Seen too many fall off the deep end.

Are they really moving forward?
what is their actual growth rate?

Have they righted themselves?

I see no problem in some leaving the UPCI to start their own organizations, perhaps the new move of God will come from those new organizations.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Are they really moving forward?
what is their actual growth rate?

Have they righted themselves?

I see no problem in some leaving the UPCI to start their own organizations, perhaps the new move of God will come from those new organizations.

My observation is based on youth events, both national and regional.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

More "flaming" here! Lol.
1. Actually UPC is moving forward and seems to have righted itself after several ministers left for the WPF.
And the WPF seems to be growing, as well.
2. The ones I worry about are those who leave to go to no organization. Seen too many fall off the deep end.

1. I disagree.

2. Depends on what you consider the "deep end". Some of the strongest most thriving Apostolic churches out there are independent churches who have either pulled out of the UPCI in the last decade or have never had a UPCI affiliation. Many independent churches are very strong in the areas of doctrine, holiness, prayer, revival, and strong fellowship bonds and some of the largest Apostolic churches are independent.

[consapente89]

How has the UPCI "righted itself" since 2007?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by consapente89

How has the UPCI "righted itself" since 2007?

I wonder that too, all I see is more of the same old stuff.

I do wish the UPCI had righted itself, I do wish them the best, I really really really would love to see the UPCI move forward but as far as I can see, I do not see anything.

Could someone please enlighten me and prove me wrong, I would love nothing better than to be shown that I am wrong, please pretty please show me that I am wrong and make me happy.

[aegsm76]

I doubt if I can convince anyone of the UPCI "righting" itself.
All I have is many years of working with UPC leadership, almost exclusively with youth events.
When the WPF began, I also began attending some of their meetings, again primarily youth events.
It has been my impression that when the WPF exodus happened, the UPC actually moved more conservative, which was the opposite of what I thought would happen.
Insofar as to why I believe they have "righted" the ship, I will point to better leadership at the top and in most departments.
I have many friends and family in both the UPC and WPF and both orgs are growing and opening new works.
Just my opinion, however, just attended a UPC youth event, last weekend that set records for attendance and offerings.

[Reader]

I was told that a pastor notified his congregation that the UPCI has removed him from the organization. The pastor stated that he stopped receiving UPCI material in the mail.

Comical. It appears he is basing whether or not he is in the UPC by what is or isn't received in his mailbox. They have been digitizing many things so not as much is mailed. No one is ever removed without notification, even if it is only non-payment of dues.

what is their actual growth rate?

North America seems to see little numerical growth and it has been this way for years. Most of their numbers come from overseas. Numbers in NA have been skewed for years once they started counting preaching points/daughter works where sometimes most that attend are from the home church.

As to numbers at youth events, many of those attending will later leave. They are not indicative of an organizations growth but only attendance at these special events.

Bernard has done much to help financially, in my opinion, and has pressed for apostolic identitity since before becoming GS.