Heretics and Politics by Thomas A. Fudge

[derAlte]

Originally Posted by Carl

Ziemke was from my state, Wisconsin, his relatives and those who know him here would say the same. Brother, did you know Johnny Hardt?, where is he now?

Is the Johnny Hardt you are referring to the son of the late Rev. Samuel Hardt? I was acquainted with the elder Hardt who was a fixture at late 20th Century Oregon District UPC events for many years. I believe he founded a Oneness church in Wisconsin (Racine?) back in the 1930s but only passed away five years ago. I always enjoyed visiting with him. Here is a link to his grave:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...986004&df=all&

I don't know anything about his son but thanks for reminding me of dear old Bro. Samuel Hardt.

[derAlte]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I have not been able to gather enough data to write about the Bible school in Caldwell, Idaho.

You might be surprised what's still out there. I'm assuming you're referring to the Bible School run by Rev. Emmanuel Rohn. I've seen some of his old Bible College notes still circulating around. Carl Adams, the former missionary to the Philippines attended there. The church that Bro. Rohn pastored that ran the Bible School is still in the UPC. I believe Nathaniel Hampton is the pastor. It might be worth giving him a call. The old families that didn't go with Norman Rutzen to the new church when the Caldwell church split back in the 1970s may know quite a bit of information although most of those old heads have gone on to their reward.

[Carl]

Originally Posted by derAlte

Is the Johnny Hardt you are referring to the son of the late Rev. Samuel Hardt? I was acquainted with the elder Hardt who was a fixture at late 20th Century Oregon District UPC events for many years. I believe he founded a Oneness church in Wisconsin (Racine?) back in the 1930s but only passed away five years ago. I always enjoyed visiting with him. Here is a link to his grave:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...986004&df=all&

I don't know anything about his son but thanks for reminding me of dear old Bro. Samuel Hardt.

Johnny would be his nephew who was in Washington. He does have a son named John who lives in Green Bay, Wisconsin. He wrote Samuel's biography. Sam was the first pastor of Bethel Tabernacle in Racine at the age of 18. He started preaching at a very young age.

[Sabby]

[QUOTE=derAlte;1425359]You might be surprised what's still out there. I'm assuming you're referring to the Bible School run by Rev. Emmanuel Rohn. I've seen some of his old Bible College notes still circulating around. Carl Adams, the former missionary to the Philippines attended there. The church that Bro. Rohn pastored that ran the Bible School is still in the UPC. I believe Nathaniel Hampton is the pastor. It might be worth giving him a call. The old families that didn't go with Norman Rutzen to the new church when the Caldwell church split back in the 1970s may know quite a bit of information although most of those old heads have gone on to their reward.[/QUOTE/]

I agree.

[derAlte]

It is interesting to note that in the years since the struggle for control of CBC described in Fudge's book and later for the reins of power in the UPCI, many of the more conservative voices and their spiritual descendants have since left the UPCI organization for membership in the WPF or as independents.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by derAlte

It is interesting to note that in the years since the struggle for control of CBC described in Fudge's book and later for the reins of power in the UPCI, many of the more conservative voices and their spiritual descendants have since left the UPCI organization for membership in the WPF or as independents.

Well, that's because they were never united in the first place.

Merger brothers agreed to disagree.

Howard Goss was a Trinitarian enabler.

[Scott Pitta]

Carl Adams also attended the Bible school ran by Harry Morse. Adams was one of Harry's last students.

Finding data about the Rohn Bible School is more difficult than finding data about the Harry Morse Bible school. But there were a small group of students who attended both schools.


Where are those class notes ? Who might have them ?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by crakjak

He was too smart and serious about doing real missions work, the small minds had to bring him back in the box. That's not a great legacy for the organization. It is always a very difficult thing to try to contain new wine in old wine skins, the old skins have to be replaced with new, and that is very painful for the old.

The Holy Spirit is alive and always moving forward to those that are receptive. Fear of delusion and heresy is tough to overcome, and to know the difference.

On that note, where does one of a Oneness position turn to for support if they want to be a missionary?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Well, that's because they were never united in the first place.

Merger brothers agreed to disagree.

Howard Goss was a Trinitarian enabler.

Are you serious, Elder?

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Barb

Are you serious, Elder?

Brother Goss was still very friendly with the enemy the Assemblies of God. It was said that he would have gone back to the AG if he was booted from the UPCI. He preached in AG churches........