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02-28-2016, 11:08 PM
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Re: One of my blogs found its way to spiritualabus
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Originally Posted by votivesoul
http://www.spiritualabuse.org/issues/baptism.html
Under the heading on the left hand side of the page, called "UPCI View", my article "In the Fight Over Water Baptism, the Missing Piece" is listed and given in a link.
It's actually kind of ironic. I am not UPCI, I'm not even traditionally Oneness the way the UPCI embraces it, and in the article I don't even make a single argument that ministers and members of the UPCI usually make when they discusses water baptism.
Maybe I should email them and ask them to remove it?
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Does the administrator believe this is a UPC point of view? Maybe an email would be in order.
I have heard this explanation of water baptism given before but never in the context of UPC doctrine.
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02-29-2016, 08:26 AM
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Re: One of my blogs found its way to spiritualabus
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Originally Posted by Sabby
Does the administrator believe this is a UPC point of view? Maybe an email would be in order.
I have heard this explanation of water baptism given before but never in the context of UPC doctrine.
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It seems the website is trying to pigeonhole the belief into a UPC belief, and not showing there's likely more people outside the UPC that believe that than the constituency of the UPC. But by saying it is UPC they are trying to say it is minimal and cultic . Can't say that when people who outnumber the UPC believe it too. By pinning it to an organization it's like pining it to a cult leader, or something like the JW's..
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02-29-2016, 10:17 AM
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Re: One of my blogs found its way to spiritualabus
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Originally Posted by mfblume
It seems the website is trying to pigeonhole the belief into a UPC belief, and not showing there's likely more people outside the UPC that believe that than the constituency of the UPC. But by saying it is UPC they are trying to say it is minimal and cultic . Can't say that when people who outnumber the UPC believe it too. By pinning it to an organization it's like pining it to a cult leader, or something like the JW's..
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I get what you are saying Mike, but I have never met a Oneness Pentecostal that was not going to a UPC church. Not until I came to AFF.
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02-29-2016, 10:39 AM
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Re: One of my blogs found its way to spiritualabus
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What part of "all are not representative of their view" do you not understand?
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02-29-2016, 11:01 AM
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Re: One of my blogs found its way to spiritualabus
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I get what you are saying Mike, but I have never met a Oneness Pentecostal that was not going to a UPC church. Not until I came to AFF.
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In Manitoba Canada there are far more oneness believers who are not UPC than are UPC. Strangely enough they are aborginals.
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02-29-2016, 12:03 PM
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Re: One of my blogs found its way to spiritualabus
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I get what you are saying Mike, but I have never met a Oneness Pentecostal that was not going to a UPC church. Not until I came to AFF.
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Wow. What part of the world are you from?
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02-29-2016, 02:50 PM
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Re: One of my blogs found its way to spiritualabus
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Wow. What part of the world are you from?
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Saint Louis Missouri
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02-29-2016, 03:37 PM
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Re: One of my blogs found its way to spiritualabus
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lol. No wonder.
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03-02-2016, 09:14 AM
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Re: One of my blogs found its way to spiritualabus
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Originally Posted by mfblume
It seems the website is trying to pigeonhole the belief into a UPC belief, and not showing there's likely more people outside the UPC that believe that than the constituency of the UPC. But by saying it is UPC they are trying to say it is minimal and cultic . Can't say that when people who outnumber the UPC believe it too. By pinning it to an organization it's like pining it to a cult leader, or something like the JW's..
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I think you're right. I would want to know the motive for publishing Votive Soul's blog piece. Is it, "See! Here is ANOTHER example of the cultic interpretation of water baptism!", without knowing that VS is not UPC.
Kind of like tossing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks. When someone does that, they need to make sure that the spaghetti brand is the same.
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03-02-2016, 11:49 AM
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Re: One of my blogs found its way to spiritualabus
Read your article, Votive. Very good insight, although I think I have heard CoC preachers preach it very close to that way.
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