Heretics and Politics by Thomas A. Fudge

[Sabby]

Here's Ziemke's ad in the 1978 25th Anniversary CBC Yearbook.

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You can see that he pastored a church called The World of Pentecost.

[Esaias]

I have a suspicion that many old timers being identified as 'one steppers' might not be so cozy with the term, as it is understood these days...

Not that I know anything, I have no background in any of this. Just making an observation about a phenomenon I see recurring not only here among AFF members, but across the board (religious and secular).

[Esaias]

And what was so special about a 'new revelation, a new move of God' that comes down to 'let's drop Sunday School and just have one service on Sunday'???? How in the world would that get anybody excited?

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Church ran 500-600 under Roam.
I'll keep my comments about what happened to myself.
Some people are still alive and it's not worth bringing up bad memories.
Suffice it to say that it was not successful in it's efforts to leave the UPC and build a super church.

Are you a CBC alum? Just curious.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Sabby

Here's Ziemke's ad in the 1978 25th Anniversary CBC Yearbook.

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You can see that he pastored a church called The World of Pentecost.

Yes he did but it was not affiliated with Kenneth Phillips "World of Pentecost". Once KP came up with that name there were several churches that adopted it but were not related in any way. In fact today there is at least one UPC church named "World of Pentecost" and it certainly has no affiliation with KP.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Sabby

Gene Z was on staff at Parker's former church for many years. The World of Pentecost was renamed Overcomer's Covenant Church. The pastor is Gordon Banks. They are in "covenant" with other churches with a UPC heritage with their "covenant" covering based at Mike Hayes' church in Dallas.
And speaking of Joe, I believe Hayes is his brother-in-law.
Joe left Idaho three years ago and moved to Dallas.

Gene is still on staff at Overcomer's Covenant, and yes Hayes is Joe's brother in law. The church my children are starting is under Gordon Banks as their covering.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

If I am mixing anything up it was not Mark Hanby over Kenneth Phillips. It might have been the name of the group. I am not talking about the name of Mark Hanby's TV program. I am not going to state this as fact but as I recall there was an organization of ministers within UPCI centered around Mark Hanby, that Geine Zeimke was part of. (called the world of Pentecost) One of the main things about this group was that they did away with Sunday School, and went to one service on Sunday.

Our Pastor's oldest son and first wife attended Hanby's church for a time and came back excited about this new thing, and tried to get his dad to change. Around the same time Zeimke preached a fellowship meeting on the subject of "finding another way". Several churches in the state switched to one Sunday service because of this. During the 80"s Zeimke's church continued to have major growth, but most of the ministers in the state thought it was because he watered down the message. Right after the completion of their new church building Zeimke left, and the new pastor took the church out of UPCI.

Zeimke is now a senior pastor/minister in Federal Way, the church the Parkers started and pulled out of the UPCI in the early 90's. And yes they are of the PCI persuasion I personally have that from Joe Parkers mouth.

Originally Posted by CC1

This is the part of your post you are either mixed up on or did not post what you meant to: " But I believe Ziemke was or is of the PCI mind set. In the 70's his church had massive growth, he was part of the World of Pentecost by Mark Hanby."

The World of Pentecost was Kenneth Phillips church name and name of his television program. There was no "World of Pentecost by Mark Hanby".

The only thing I may be mixed up on is the name of the group of ministers within the UPCI, not talking about church names.

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by CC1

Yes he did but it was not affiliated with Kenneth Phillips "World of Pentecost". Once KP came up with that name there were several churches that adopted it but were not related in any way. In fact today there is at least one UPC church named "World of Pentecost" and it certainly has no affiliation with KP.

Not arguing your point, CC1. Just providing information...

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I have a suspicion that many old timers being identified as 'one steppers' might not be so cozy with the term, as it is understood these days...

Not that I know anything, I have no background in any of this. Just making an observation about a phenomenon I see recurring not only here among AFF members, but across the board (religious and secular).

Hey Esaias,

I totally agree with you on the old timers might not be cozy with how the one steppers portray their message. Someone around here said that in the old days everybody just preached Acts 2:38! Regardless of their theology you would never know it because the BIG deal was getting people to repent, baptized in Jesus name and the baptism of the Holy Ghost!

BUT I know also people sit in a pew for years or decades and believe what ever they want. Very few people go to a church and believe 100% with the preacher. I believe there are one steppers sitting in UPC pews who just keep their mouth shut.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Sabby

Are you a CBC alum? Just curious.

No, but I have brothers and sisters that are.
They were very involved with CBC from mid 60's until the closure.