Is The UPC a Laborers Union for Preachers?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Maybe it was just the District my father pastored in, but he could only have UPC licensed or affiliated ministers preach in the church he pastored.

Dumb

Was the church affiliated?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Well, is it?

Think about it.

No. If it were Home Missionaries would actually get paid!

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Was the church affiliated?

Unfortunately, yes. And being Affiliated really messed things up when my father retired.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Unfortunately, yes. And being Affiliated really messed things up when my father retired.

ahh.. district run churches.. gotta love it::::::

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

ahh.. district run churches.. gotta love it::::::

haha exxxxactly! There was some technicality and my father couldn't appoint the one he wanted (if he passed a vote from the church body). Instead the district stepped in and sent other ministers through to "try out" for the church; then held a church business meeting to vote in the new pastor.

At the business meeting, the district representative messed up and didn't read the manual right. He got confused between the protocol for when a minister retires versus when he simply resigns . . . and made my parents leave the building (and premises) before he allowed the business meeting to start.

I don't have fond memories of that night.

Oh, and then he changed the rules mid-meeting and instead of taking only the top 2 names as was first voted on . . . he stated that the number was too close between 2 and 3, so he was going to allow 3 names, not two as was voted on. And he didn't have a vote to approve the change.

Ugh! Glad that's over . . .

Being a licensed minister, if it was a labor union then ALL members would have a vote and not just those who are pastors/evangelists, etc.

[SDG]

In a labor union ... you have benefits ... medical, dental, life insurance, etc ... you also have union reps that will step up to the plate for you ... advocating for better conditions and pay.... most of all you get job stability .... and there are other little perks.

In the org ... you get a 10000 death benefit ... pay dues ... to HQ and the district ....and the job of collecting offerings for every division ....

Not sure they equate.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

In a labor union ... you have benefits ... medical, dental, life insurance, etc ... you also have a union reps that will step up to the plate for you ... advocating for better conditions and pay.... job stability.

In the org ... you get a 10000 death benefit ... pay dues ... to HQ and the district ....and the job of collecting offerings for every division ....

Not sure they equate.

Ya know Dan, this is the SECOND time that I agree with you on something.
Keep it up and we just might meet somewhere in concensusland.

[Sam]

I've heard organizations called preacher's unions
and the UPC compared to the Teamsters among other unions.