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mizpeh · #**151** 12-29-2015, 09:32 PM

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Now, see how brother Blume and I can disagree, even disagree strongly, on a subject, and still get along?

deacon blues · #**152** 12-29-2015, 10:26 PM

Are you people STILL talking about this? Hello---it's 2015!!!!

mfblume · #**153** 12-29-2015, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

It's not the "woman" that has to be in submission to the "man" but the "wife" to the "husband" and all are to be in submission to Christ. An unmarried woman is not in submission to any and every man.

I agree.

TheLegalist · #**154** 12-30-2015, 07:35 AM

http://www.theweatherlyreport.blogsp...-have.html?m=1

Truthseeker · #**155** 12-30-2015, 09:09 AM

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This is what I asked. I'd like to know the reasoning you use to conclude 'much of what the apostles taught was merely advisory not authoritative.'

I didn't say much of what the apostles taught, but that many times it was. I gave one example that shows sonethibgs they taught was specific to the times they lived in.

Truthseeker · #**156** 12-30-2015, 03:40 PM

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I didn't say much of what the apostles taught, but that many times it was. I gave one example that shows sonethibgs they taught was specific to the times they lived in.

Oops. Somethings I meant

Esaias · #**157** 12-30-2015, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

It's not the "woman" that has to be in submission to the "man" but the "wife" to the "husband" and all are to be in submission to Christ. An unmarried woman is not in submission to any and every man.

And does Paul even speak of married persons, here? Or are folks assuming that?

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Co 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Seems Paul is speaking in general terms about male and female, not about husbands and wives. 'The man' and 'the woman' in vs 8 and 9 clearly refer to Adam and Eve as archetypes of men and women. Paul never says in this chapter anything about any woman being in submission to any man.

Esaias · #**158** 12-30-2015, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I didn't say much of what the apostles taught, but that many times it was. I gave one example that shows sonethibgs they taught was specific to the times they lived in.

Assuming for a moment the validity of the example you gave, is it not clear that the apostle specified it was 'specific to the times they lived in'? And how then does the apostle make that same specification in 1 Cor 11?

Truthseeker · #**159** 12-31-2015, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Assuming for a moment the validity of the example you gave, is it not clear that the apostle specified it was 'specific to the times they lived in'? And how then does the apostle make that same specification in 1 Cor 11?

It appears it could be considering itf was not once mentioned before in all the laws given by God.

Esaias · #**160** 12-31-2015, 03:55 PM

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It appears it could be considering itf was not once mentioned before in all the laws given by God.

And do we have anything in the Bible stating this rule? "If an apostle teaches something not previously mentioned by Moses, it is either just his personal opinion or it only applies to that specific time and place and audience." ???