Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine - Page 51

Sean · #**501** 11-05-2015, 08:03 AM

This portion of Micah is NOT fulfilled prophecy, folks....

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

shazeep · #**502** 11-05-2015, 08:04 AM

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well, wadr you were asked to excuse yourself at post #1, and for good reason imo. No offense.

having come to Christ with the futurist model, i began to accept some elements of preterism after witnessing the fruit of pure futurism, which to me seemed to culminate in an attitude of "my real life will begin someday, after i die or am raptured," and elicited comments--on this forum--such as "it's ok to trash the planet, since God is going to remake it anyway." Although I'm sure this doesn't rep all futurists.

I was then shown that rapture doctrine is not new, and Ezekiel condemned it, and that it did not come back up until the end of the 19th century, some woman whose name i forget. Now, something described--or at least translated--as "miraculous" obviously happens there in 1Cor15:52, and I'm frankly not sure how a full preterist interprets that (and i don't really care), so I'll let a preterist explain that part; but there is this, from Ephesians 5,

"14for what makes everything clear is light. Therefore it is said: Get up, sleeper, and rise up from the dead, and the Messiah will shine on you."

and i also became convicted that "Understand I AM" is written with the "am" as emphatic and not as titular, which to me would be "I Am," although this is strictly my conviction--that God is about right now, the only place you will ever be. I just also became convicted, through their fruit mostly, that futurism is a trap to keep people asleep.

Now this doesn't mean that i don't have some hope of a different future in Christ, but that I am the body of Christ--will Christ then bodily return, having then two bodies? For a physical crown, won through violence, blood running up to horse's bridles? The Revelation to me now describes a much more likely, spiritual process that must occur in a believer's heart. There is also a "step by step" reference in Rev that i cannot now find that had an impact.

shazeep · #**503** 11-05-2015, 08:06 AM

i can see that this is pointless though, as this has become "The Sean Show," and he does not care that he was asked to refrain in the OP; he is apparently committed to jamming his opinion down everyone's thread. Good luck, Reader!

Reader · #**504** 11-05-2015, 09:43 AM

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well, you asked a divisive question, about the doctrines of men, imo.

The question was not even close to divisive. It was posed ONLY toward those who had changed their view, asking why/how they started to question it. There was no need for anyone who doesn't believe preterism/pp to start mocking and ridiculing anyone, especially since AFF ALREADY had and still has numerous discussions where that is seen.

Why can't a simple question like this be asked without all the ........? Why aren't these posters free to answer the question without being bombarded non-stop with nastiness? I thought AFF was supposed to disallow all the personal insults (which, yes, some on the other side also throw back).

shazeep · #**505** 11-05-2015, 09:46 AM

amen.

Reader · #**506** 11-05-2015, 09:51 AM

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Why can't a simple question like this be asked without all the ........?

LOL so cr_p is disallowed on AFF but all the personal insults get a pass?

Hey if I block Sean and then re-do my original post in a new discussion, will he be able to participate? Could that be a solution?

Evang.Benincasa · #**507** 11-05-2015, 10:47 AM

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LOL so cr_p is disallowed on AFF but all the personal insults get a pass?

Hey if I block Sean and then re-do my original post in a new discussion, will he be able to participate? Could that be a solution?

If you block Sean then everyone has to block him. Don't know what to tell you concerning Sean and his deranged behavior.

Evang.Benincasa · #**508** 11-05-2015, 10:50 AM

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Sean, you didn't explain anything, you just posted that STUFF happens to Israel. I asked you to explain the STUFF, can you do that? You said yes to shag that it was 722 BC, and now you say it is in the future, so please explain what in heaven's name do you mean it is in 722 BC, and that it is in the future, while you explain where in Israel do they have active pagan temples with temple prostitutes?

Sean answer my questions

Evang.Benincasa · #**509** 11-05-2015, 10:54 AM

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Yeah, you said that already, but that is a statement which doesn't answer our questions. You need to explain a few things in order to clarify what you said first. That it was the destruction of Samaria in 722 BC, and how it goes from then to 2,000 plus years later for God to destroy temples which you posted are already destroyed?

Bump for Sean

Evang.Benincasa · #**510** 11-05-2015, 10:58 AM

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Good grief! So, what Sean is telling us is that all the above is just his opinion and he can't call it absolute? So, he doesn't know, but anyone who has a differing view is hell bound like an elephant on a banana peel going down a greasy slick steep hill.

Sean? You said it is just a possibility? So why can't we have a civil discussion? Why all the hub...bub?