Doctrine is WRONG

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Doctrine means "Teaching"...the bible doctrine excludes some from the Kingdom of God

Yes the teaching of scripture may exclude some from the kingdom of God, but these religious lawyers are no better than those in Christ day.

Mat_23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Christ spoke to them as if the kingdom of God was already there, how then did these religious leaders shut out those that would have entered?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by shazeep

look, i don't mean to say that doctrine is wrong; just that it can become a weapon, to exclude others. What is doctrine, anyway? Being as how the definition has changed, i mean--wouldn't you both hold that for a person to be saved, they must follow Acts 2:38, with the evidence of speaking in tongues? Is that one of your doctrines? Because it is straight from hell, in application if not intent, which is debatable. Gasp.

And i have no problem with teaching--until you start teaching people that "Those guys are all lost," and other pernicious yack, while pretending [b]to rep Christ[b/]. Heck, even then--have at it. Who am i to stop you, even if i could. But don't be surprised when you get called out for it. You will never be condemned for preaching love and reconciliation imo. It will sure be nice when affiliated churches start practicing Grace, and abandon applying their doctrine as law.

Here is one way Christ represented Himself

John 12:47,

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

His people need to remember and do likewise. We speak to the world at large about the Gospel and/or the Acts 2:38 experience, and some, even many, and probably most, believe us not. But do we judge them?

Yeah, I think we often do.

[shazeep]

yes, and that might be the entire difference in now v Azusa St.