Scoffers on AFF - Page 19

Sean · #**181** 09-19-2015, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well, but Scripture says the old earth was destroyed; and the released raven tells me that the old heaven prolly was, too?

Basically, only, much vegetation, land animals and mankind were destroyed. It was a partial destruction of the living things.

Peter says it will be destroyed by fire next time....Nothing will survive this intense fire....

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up......

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Here is the end result of the earth being burnt up....

Rev 20: 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The Fire of God will incinerate the old heaven and earth.

mfblume · #**182** 09-19-2015, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Basically, only, much vegetation, land animals and mankind were destroyed. It was a partial destruction of the living things.

Peter says it will be destroyed by fire next time....Nothing will survive this intense fire....

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up......

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Here is the end result of the earth being burnt up....

Rev 20: 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The Fire of God will incinerate the old heaven and earth.

Peter said that's what happens when Jesus comes. So how can there be a literal millennium AND THEN A NEW EARTH LATER, if the earth is gone out of existence and a millennium comes between that and the new earth a thousand years later?

The same way the earth perished in Noah's day was how it perishes at Christ's coming. PEOPLE ALONE DIED, not the planet. And the PEOPLE are the point in His coming as well, NOT THE PLANET.

How do futurists use 2 Peter 3 to point to the second coming as though the whole world and planet will perish by using Noah when only the PEOPLE perished?

shazeep · #**183** 09-19-2015, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

i'm not sure how a Posterist deals with Christ's "I assure you: There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

The kingdom Jesus spoke of arrived in Acts 2.....minus one Apostle....Judas.

hmm; possible, i guess, but not very satisfying. Wouldn't that be "virtually everyone here?"

shazeep · #**184** 09-19-2015, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

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The Fire of God will incinerate the old heaven and earth.

ya, i really don't care about the "earth" thing--i won't argue that the earth will be destroyed by fire at some point. I am most interested in the "impact" thing.

shazeep · #**185** 09-19-2015, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Peter said that's what happens when Jesus comes. So how can there be a literal millennium AND THEN A NEW EARTH LATER, if the earth is gone out of existence and a millennium comes between that and the new earth a thousand years later?

The same way the earth perished in Noah's day was how it perishes at Christ's coming. PEOPLE ALONE DIED, not the planet. And the PEOPLE are the point in His coming as well, NOT THE PLANET.

How do futurists use 2 Peter 3 to point to the second coming as though the whole world and planet will perish by using Noah when only the PEOPLE perished?

another good question! but i mostly hate to see "answers" to these imponderables being insisted upon by lawyers, and then used as evidence to dismiss another pov.

Evang.Benincasa · #**186** 09-19-2015, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Benencasa thinks Peter was saying this....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the JEWISH LAW OF MOSES shall pass away with a great noise, and the JEWS shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the LAW OF MOSES being on fire shall be dissolved, and the JEWS shall melt with fervent heat?

Sean, you are a liar, and you don't care that you lie about people. You are a frustrated angry individual who has blown away everyone in the small radius around you. When people (who you once Bible studied with) see you, they keep the conversation light, and pray that they can make an exit as soon as possible. Now since you found this forum you have continually posted miles of threads showing your ability to lie about those you see as your enemy. You are a true prophet of Baal, screaming, jumping up and down, slashing yourself, as the blood gushes out, you believe that God will vindicate you, and your messed up agenda. You cut and paste because you can't for the life of you stand on your own two feet. You absolutely have no respect for yourself because you are envious, and envy is what causes a hater to pull the pin on a grenade, grab the person they are arguing with, and blow up together. You must be one miserable person in real life, and again, I pity anyone that has the great misfortune of being in any sort of church group with you. You are toast.

Evang.Benincasa · #**187** 09-19-2015, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Peter said that's what happens when Jesus comes. So how can there be a literal millennium AND THEN A NEW EARTH LATER, if the earth is gone out of existence and a millennium comes between that and the new earth a thousand years later?

The same way the earth perished in Noah's day was how it perishes at Christ's coming. PEOPLE ALONE DIED, not the planet. And the PEOPLE are the point in His coming as well, NOT THE PLANET.

How do futurists use 2 Peter 3 to point to the second coming as though the whole world and planet will perish by using Noah when only the PEOPLE perished?

Now, that is going to make Sean burn up his Google search engine. Imagine having this guy in a one on one debate in real life? No, internet, just a KJV Bible. He would get so livid, that he would blow an artery.

Sean · #**188** 09-20-2015, 08:20 AM

riginally Posted by Sean View Post
Basically, only, much vegetation, land animals and mankind were destroyed. It was a partial destruction of the living things.

Peter says it will be destroyed by fire next time....Nothing will survive this intense fire....

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up......

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Here is the end result of the earth being burnt up....

Rev 20: 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The Fire of God will incinerate the old heaven and earth.QUOTE SEAN

Peter said that's what happens when Jesus comes. So how can there be a literal millennium AND THEN A NEW EARTH LATER, if the earth is gone out of existence and a millennium comes between that and the new earth a thousand years later?

The same way the earth perished in Noah's day was how it perishes at Christ's coming. PEOPLE ALONE DIED, not the planet. And the PEOPLE are the point in His coming as well, NOT THE PLANET.

How do futurists use 2 Peter 3 to point to the second coming as though the whole world and planet will perish by using Noah when only the PEOPLE perished?QUOTE MFBLUME

Mike, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Is this the Law, Jewish religion and the Jews being dissolved by fire?

shazeep · #**189** 09-20-2015, 08:20 AM

that seems to be a different "day of the Lord."

Mark 13 et al sure seem to indicate preterism; the chapter could be titled "What will happen in 70 AD," it seems to me. Don't we have historical evidence for...everything in it? Sans everyone seeing the Lord in the clouds, at least; which evidence just might not have survived, or been occluded. Not saying that makes me a preterist; but i certainly wouldn't be scoffing at them.

What about that "impact" thing, Sean? I have a feeling that describing this impact might clarify some things here.

Sean · #**190** 09-20-2015, 08:23 AM

John Owen
"On this foundation I affirm that the heavens and earth here intended in this prophecy of Peter, the coming of the Lord, the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men, mentioned in the destruction of that heaven and earth, do all of them relate, not to the last and final judgment of the world, but to that utter desolation and destruction that was to be made of the Judaical church and state; for which I shall offer these two reasons, of many that might be insisted on from the text:-https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...QP-WMzj491Ry9A[/QUOTE]

Do you agree with John Owen, Mike?