Is this "rebellion"?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

God must have been having an idiot moment when He placed the ministry in the church. How could an all knowing God not have known better? Stupid idea. If only AFF had been there back then He might not have made this mistake?

God placed the ministry IN the church not OVER the church.

And the ministry is not one man!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

God placed the ministry IN the church not OVER the church.

And the ministry is not one man!

I think the New Testament is showing an example which is a little more than what we may believe. In Acts 13:1-3 we see that the Holy Ghost requests that two men be sent out from Antioch, yet these men just didn't leave at the Holy Ghost's behest, but were under subjection to the brethren and were ordained by a laying of hands before they were let go. This is just a small example of Church government in the Body of Christ. We see the Apostle Paul giving instructions for his epistle to be read out loud to the congregation Col 4:16. The Apostle Paul sending people out with his writings of recommendation 1 Corinthians 16:3. The Apostle Paul reminding the church to remember how he taught them, that they imitate him, hence he sending them his student the Evangelist Timothy 1 Cor 4:17. The Apostle Paul asking and accepting support for himself and his mission 1 Cor 16:6, Phil 4:15. The Apostle Paul warning, disciplining, and chastising his readers to change their conduct behavior 1 Cor 4:14, 1 Cor 5:3, 1 Cor 6:5. Thank the Lord, that Paul didn't have the internet during his time because Demas, and Alexander the Copper-smith might of sued him for 950,000 because of defamation of character.

Also church government was to be followed and imitated as we see in Hebrews 13:17, and this wasn't anything new, because Jesus told the Judeans that they were to observe their teachers Matthew 23:2-3, also repeated in 1st John 4:1.

The Apostle Paul told his readers that they were to follow him as he followed Christ. Yes GD the ministry are not lords over God's heritage 1st Peter 5:3, they are called to set an example 1st Timothy 3.

I just think it is a little more than a little bless me club where everyone is sitting cross legged on the floor wearing Birkenstock sandals and singing Kumbaya.

GD, I'm not saying you believe that.

[seguidordejesus]

Hey let's not knock the Birkenstocks.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Hey let's not knock the Birkenstocks.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I think the New Testament is showing an example which is a little more than what we may believe. In Acts 13:1-3 we see that the Holy Ghost requests that two men be sent out from Antioch, yet these men just didn't leave at the Holy Ghost's behest, but were under subjection to the brethren and were ordained by a laying of hands before they were let go. This is just a small example of Church government in the Body of Christ. We see the Apostle Paul giving instructions for his epistle to be read out loud to the congregation Col 4:16. The Apostle Paul sending people out with his writings of recommendation 1 Corinthians 16:3. The Apostle Paul reminding the church to remember how he taught them, that they imitate him, hence he sending them his student the Evangelist Timothy 1 Cor 4:17. The Apostle Paul asking and accepting support for himself and his mission 1 Cor 16:6, Phil 4:15. The Apostle Paul warning, disciplining, and chastising his readers to change their conduct behavior 1 Cor 4:14, 1 Cor 5:3, 1 Cor 6:5. Thank the Lord, that Paul didn't have the internet during his time because Demas, and Alexander the Copper-smith might of sued him for 950,000 because of defamation of character.
Also church government was to be followed and imitated as we see in Hebrews 13:17, and this wasn't anything new, because Jesus told the Judeans that they were to observe their teachers Matthew 23:2-3, also repeated in 1st John 4:1.
The Apostle Paul told his readers that they were to follow him as he followed Christ. Yes GD the ministry are not lords over God's heritage 1st Peter 5:3, they are called to set an example 1st Timothy 3.
I just think it is a little more than a little bless me club where everyone is sitting cross legged on the floor wearing Birkenstock sandals and singing Kumbaya.
GD, I'm not saying you believe that.

Great post.

Acts 13, is a prime example of the Ministry working hand-in-hand through prayer and fasting.
No man goes out on his own, but should first be called of the Lord, and the man's office is
CONFIRMED by the presbytery.
I would add this: if the presbytery cannot (or will not) confirm whom the Lord has called,
the Lord will confirm the Minister by the preaching, teaching, or the adding gifts (2) of
the Holy Spirit!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Great post.

Acts 13, is a prime example of the Ministry working hand-in-hand through prayer and fasting.
No man goes out on his own, but should first be called of the Lord, and the man's office is
CONFIRMED by the presbytery.
I would add this: if the presbytery cannot (or will not) confirm whom the Lord has called,
the Lord will confirm the Minister by the preaching, teaching, or the adding gifts (2) of
the Holy Spirit!

[Pilgram199]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Pilgram how long have you been a pastor?

Not! Wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Too much responsibility and added danger of hell fire!
My comment is based on over 20 years as a saint. I've seen each extreme of pastor / preachers. Sorry, did I touch a nerve? Probably not, you seem to give it your all.

[Pilgram199]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I think the New Testament is showing an example which is a little more than what we may believe. In Acts 13:1-3 we see that the Holy Ghost requests that two men be sent out from Antioch, yet these men just didn't leave at the Holy Ghost's behest, but were under subjection to the brethren and were ordained by a laying of hands before they were let go. This is just a small example of Church government in the Body of Christ. We see the Apostle Paul giving instructions for his epistle to be read out loud to the congregation Col 4:16. The Apostle Paul sending people out with his writings of recommendation 1 Corinthians 16:3. The Apostle Paul reminding the church to remember how he taught them, that they imitate him, hence he sending them his student the Evangelist Timothy 1 Cor 4:17. The Apostle Paul asking and accepting support for himself and his mission 1 Cor 16:6, Phil 4:15. The Apostle Paul warning, disciplining, and chastising his readers to change their conduct behavior 1 Cor 4:14, 1 Cor 5:3, 1 Cor 6:5. Thank the Lord, that Paul didn't have the internet during his time because Demas, and Alexander the Copper-smith might of sued him for 950,000 because of defamation of character.

Also church government was to be followed and imitated as we see in Hebrews 13:17, and this wasn't anything new, because Jesus told the Judeans that they were to observe their teachers Matthew 23:2-3, also repeated in 1st John 4:1.

The Apostle Paul told his readers that they were to follow him as he followed Christ. Yes GD the ministry are not lords over God's heritage 1st Peter 5:3, they are called to set an example 1st Timothy 3.

I just think it is a little more than a little bless me club where everyone is sitting cross legged on the floor wearing Birkenstock sandals and singing Kumbaya.

GD, I'm not saying you believe that.

Evang,

Good outline about church government. Do you know of any group or organization that actually functions like this?

p.s. I'm not sure that having the internet had anything to do with the guy suing the pastor, it was just the method of conveying the article.