Misty Edwards Telling Prophetic Dream

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

That is one thing I agree with the UPC. They say the FULL STANDARD of salvation is Acts 2:38. To me its absurd to say one has the Holy Ghost baptism and they are not at least partly saved.

While I understand what you are saying, I think it's impossible to be "partly saved". God gives us His Spirit to guide us into all truth. It's just unfortunate that many who have the Holy Ghost don't follow it. I still remember learning that, despite the people I knew in my old church and their walk with God, they could not possibly make heaven because their sins had not been remitted via baptism in Jesus name. It broke my heart....

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

While I understand what you are saying, I think it's impossible to be "partly saved". God gives us His Spirit to guide us into all truth. It's just unfortunate that many who have the Holy Ghost don't follow it. I still remember learning that, despite the people I knew in my old church and their walk with God, they could not possibly make heaven because their sins had not been remitted via baptism in Jesus name. It broke my heart....

So when you had the Holy Spirit as a Charismatic believer do you feel you were not saved period? And also to me "saved" means two things.

The first "saved" is INITIAL salvation. This is through faith, repentance, water baptism in Jesus name, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

To me if one has not done these things they are not "fully" saved. If they are walking by faith in Jesus they have begun a walk with him but not in a full way.

Thats why the UPC says the FULL STANDARD of salvation is Acts 2:38.

If one does not ULTIMATELY do what Acts 2:38 says as I said earlier I would not assure them they are born again or "saved" in the fullness of what saved means.

If one has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit it is difficult to say they are not saved at least in part because the Spirit is given as a witness to those God accepts.

6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Acts 15:6-9

Now the other part of "saved" is FINAL SALVATION. This is as Jesus said "he who endures to the end the same SHALL BE SAVED. Matt 24:13.

In this sense of "saved" none of us are yet "fully" saved. Many Apostolics who have been saved in INITIAL SALVATION will not wind up in Heaven. One also must be an OVERCOMER to escape Hell.

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Rev. 2:11

Case in point would be that some Apostolics feel safe because they have been baptized in Jesus name and received the Holy Ghost. Yet they may walk in other false doctrines or traditions of men. They have no qualms about saying Charismatics are going to Hell because they have rejected the truth.

Yet they themselves teach much error about a number of things. So my point is that we have to keep going on with Jesus in spirit and truth. He does not allow any of us to think we can enter Heaven unless we do.

[Michael The Disciple]

So should we feel safe and secure in Jesus if what we teach about end times differs from the Apostles?

Can one be a deceiver and enter the Kingdom?

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thess 2:1-4

Here the apostles states that if anyone says Christ can come before the falling away and the man of sin be revealed he is deceiving us.

Is that person lost right now at the moment? All the pre tribs? All the Preterist types? Or would God by his Spirit try to influence them to turn from teaching error and come to truth?

Some say it does not matter what we believe about end times as long as we have done Acts 2:38. Im ok with believing if one ULTIMATELY rejects Acts 2:38 they will be lost.

And yet how can we give a pass to those who teach against the truth of end times laid out by the Holy Spirit?

Remember Paul said...Let no man DECEIVE you by any means......concerning this very subject!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Mike, could you post in your own words what you believe the Lord Jesus Christ gave that women in her dream?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, could you post in your own words what you believe the Lord Jesus Christ gave that women in her dream?

There is coming a great shaking by YHWH to the Church and the world. God is not just "nice". We have to get a bigger picture of Jesus. He is a God to be feared.

Add to our mindset concerning Jesus. He is loving and merciful. But he is willing to break everything that can be broken. Prepare for the days of shaking.

Singing, praising God will keep one focused with Jesus. She is to be used to bring many people into the life of worship. A big part of abiding in Jesus.

[Michael The Disciple]

Along the same lines. Encouraging souls to cleave to Jesus. Dont faint when its all coming down.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

There is coming a great shaking by YHWH to the Church and the world. God is not just "nice". We have to get a bigger picture of Jesus. He is a God to be feared.

Add to our mindset concerning Jesus. He is loving and merciful. But he is willing to break everything that can be broken. Prepare for the days of shaking.

Singing, praising God will keep one focused with Jesus. She is to be used to bring many people into the life of worship. A big part of abiding in Jesus.

Thank you.

She also said a Buddhist monk was in a state of tranquility being shown to her as a symbol of false religion, but she believing in three gods in a godhead, and salvation is just merely a confession in faith that Jesus exists isn't corrected? AK was specifically told by Jesus Christ that she did everything in His name except baptism, now I would say that is a far better than being told to call singers and prophets to preach false salvation.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Along the same lines. Encouraging souls to cleave to Jesus. Dont faint when its all coming down.

Which Jesus are they being called to cleave to?

2 Corinthians 11:4

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So should we feel safe and secure in Jesus if what we teach about end times differs from the Apostles?

Can one be a deceiver and enter the Kingdom?

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thess 2:1-4

Here the apostles states that if anyone says Christ can come before the falling away and the man of sin be revealed he is deceiving us.

Is that person lost right now at the moment? All the pre tribs? All the Preterist types? Or would God by his Spirit try to influence them to turn from teaching error and come to truth?

Some say it does not matter what we believe about end times as long as we have done Acts 2:38. Im ok with believing if one ULTIMATELY rejects Acts 2:38 they will be lost.

And yet how can we give a pass to those who teach against the truth of end times laid out by the Holy Spirit?

Remember Paul said...Let no man DECEIVE you by any means......concerning this very subject!

Pre-Tribulationists are in error?

Pre Tribbers are lost?

Wait, Mike, Pre Tribulation rapture teachers are lost?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Is that person lost right now at the moment? All the pre tribs? All the Preterist types? Or would God by his Spirit try to influence them to turn from teaching error and come to truth?

Some say it does not matter what we believe about end times as long as we have done Acts 2:38. Im ok with believing if one ULTIMATELY rejects Acts 2:38 they will be LOST.

And yet how can we give a pass to those who teach against the truth of end times laid out by the Holy Spirit?

Remember Paul said...Let no man DECEIVE you by any means......concerning this very subject!

Wow Mike