Lee Stoneking Addresses UN

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Yes the Methodist Building across the street is not affiliated with nor has anything to do with the United Nations or United Nations business. The UN does not own, operate, manage, or maintain that building. Thus, it has nothing to do with the UN. That is my position and that is based on research as to who does own, operate, and manage it.

It doesn't HAVE to be affiliated. Its there for UN people to partake in. It's an Interfaith building for different religious services to SERVICE UN members

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

You do owe an apology. You've libeled a man and falsely accused him of lying when he did not lie.

Also, I've never met Stoneking personally, but I've heard him preach and walked past him a few times at a conference. He's not slimy. He's also not a snake oil salesman. More libelous lies from you.

I wonder if Muhammad is a slimy snake oil salesman for his deeds....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I'm not worried about the rest. Why won't you answer my simple question?

What are the facts and captions and timelines regarding that picture.




So far the only timeline I have seen is Wii's?

1. There were posts on (facebook or twitter) regarding his ministry at the UN.

2. He then posted a picture that he labeled service which was actually a picture of a service that wasn't his. And really it all depends on context at this point. Was he posting this picture and making it clear that it wasn't his service? Or did he post the picture with no indicators that it wasn't of his service?

3. The next year a video that included highlights of his ministry was produced and that same picture was shown in that video. Was that picture indicated as being just a picture of the building he was preaching at? Or was nothing again stated to imply that this picture wasn't of his service?

4. Sometime around a year after the picture was first posted someone discovered that it was actually not a picture of his service and posted this fact.

5. He then apologized for "posting a picture" to show the church building where he was having his services at and stating that he realized that was a mistake?


Can you fill in the details and the few questions I have left and/or tell me where this timeline is wrong?

Thats all I have seen and I still wait for proof

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It seems to me that the problem with this picture comes from a lack of being clear and upfront with the first posting of it. Was that lack of clarity and lack of upfrontness done with an intent to deceive. I say only God knows the intent of the heart..

What picture?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The most convincing thing in my mind is that his apology doesn't actually address what he did wrong.

Using a picture of a different event by another person to illustrate where he was preaching wasn't wrong. And yet that is exactly what he apologized for and stated that he should not have done.

What he did wrong was post such a picture in a discussion about his services and label it service and omit any details about it not being his service. He did not apologize for simply omitting details about what the picture was actually of.

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong?

What apology? What picture? Someone show me

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

My posts stand undisputed.

that's not true. Ive seen them disputed

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Untrue words came out of his mouth. Untrue words are lies. It is as simple as that.

A lie is an intent to deceive. You have made yourself Allah...something I see most Muslims do on Christian boards with other Christians, by judging intent to deceive and not rather something less sinister like carelessness or thoughtlessness.

That is, if it's all true. Im still waiting for the information so I can see

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It is rather empty in there. That's for sure.

It's not a full meeting....if it was Obama it would be full

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I wonder if Muhammad is a slimy snake oil salesman for his deeds....

Oh, come on, Prax. That's way over the line. That comparison gives slimy, snake-oil salesman a bad rep.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What apology? What picture? Someone show me

In addition to modifying names on posts is appears that you and I are going to block and post these pictures for years.

I have time to do this until they are left alone. Do you?

Aug 20, 2013 this picture was posted on Art Wilson's facebook page

"The United Nations Chapel, where we are now calling it The International Church of the United Nations



August 22 this picture was tweeted by Art Wilson, no title



August 26, 2013 this same picture was tweeted by Art Wilson titled @ActsKnight Service at the United Nations Chapel.



November 24, 2014, this same picture was used in the church anniversary video



On April 24, 2015, it was discovered that this picture came from this website:

http://ecumenicalwomen.org/category/theology/

and came from a play called "The Story of Ruth and Naomi



On April 25, a statement was issued, not publicly, but on a closed forum for Pentecostal ministers, referring to posting and using this picture, that "we now see that wasn't a wise choice" with some stammering about security, secrecy, and "high-level officials". This same stammering has been happening right here.

No pictures of real services were ever posted until a year after they started using this one to represent their ministry there. August or Sept, 2014 is the first record that real pictures were posted.

Hopefully that clears. Fixing just takes a minute once the links are saved LOL