Angels reproducing with humans possible?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

So either the fallen angels kept having sex with humans after the flood or there was only a LOCAL flood?


Or now there are 2 nephilim groups, the latter of unknown origin?

or rather, yes, the sons of God took up the practice right after the flood; like the text basically states--or at least, it may be interpreted that way. But i note that the great commentators have reached no conclusions here, and suggest three possibilities; so i doubt we will do any better!

[Aquila]

I know that I'm contradicting a position that I've popularly held, but I think the position I'm about to explain should be given serious consideration...

Consider this... from ancient times rulers have declared their divinity and men have celebrated it in the form of emperor worship. Consider Tiberius Caesar. Here's a coin with an inscription:



The inscription reads: "Tiberius Caesar, son of the divine Augustus"

Regarding Caesar Augustus:



What if the "sons of God" in this passage were actually ancient rulers declaring divinity by a declaration that they were the "sons of God"? With this in mind, read the text:

Genesis 6:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Might these have been the first emperors claiming divine authority? Might this have been the beginning of rampant polygamy and perversion? An attempt to unify the world (through marriage treaties) against God, under man's own claim to divinity?

Then consider the rest of the text in this light:

Genesis 6:4-6
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Isn't secular humanism a religion elevating man to being his own highest authority, or... "god"? Are not world leaders even doing this today with their mistresses and adulteries?

Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

[shazeep]

so, figurative 'giants.'

[Aquila]

We even see this kind of twisted pagan logic in the NT (even after that):

Acts 12:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.
22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

Rulers have always wanted to be gods, and weak people have always wanted their rulers to be gods.

[shazeep]

gives Scripture a pretty pagan caste, imo

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by shazeep

so, figurative 'giants.'

Perhaps... or perhaps these "giants" aren't related to the sons of God (Divine Kings), as Bro. Blume has proposed. What if their association in the passage is circumstantial? What if the "Sons of God" gained the people's admiration and worship through confronting these giants? People entering into spiritual bondage for security.

[shazeep]

well that sounds really weird, but i could see it--the Bible phrases some things strangely.

[Aquila]

We read of Lamech

Genesis 4:19
And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

This unfolds...

Genesis 4:23-24 English Standard Version (ESV)
23 Lamech said to his wives:
“Adah and Zillah, hear my voice;
you wives of Lamech, listen to what I say:
I have killed a man for wounding me,
a young man for striking me.
24
If Cain's revenge is sevenfold,
then Lamech's is seventy-sevenfold.”

He's beginning to declare a divine favor and protection after taking two wives. Notice his violence.

Notice also how after the flood, Nimrod unified the people in opposition to God and launched the Tower of Babel project... which God also smote. (Might Nimrod be a "son of God" that appeared "even after that"?)

[shazeep]

and it fits the theme, which is "not going to let man continue on this course."

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We read of Lamech

Genesis 4:19
And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

This unfolds...

Genesis 4:23-24 English Standard Version (ESV)
23 Lamech said to his wives:
“Adah and Zillah, hear my voice;
you wives of Lamech, listen to what I say:
I have killed a man for wounding me,
a young man for striking me.
24
If Cain's revenge is sevenfold,
then Lamech's is seventy-sevenfold.”

He's beginning to declare a divine favor and protection after taking two wives. Notice his violence.

Notice also how after the flood, Nimrod unified the people in opposition to God and launched the Tower of Babel project... which God also smote. (Might Nimrod be a "son of God" that appeared "even after that"?)

meaning? (i don't recall his end at the moment...)