will you know your loved ones in heaven

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well, but Christ had to bodily die for our sins; which we do not have to do.

Correct! However, the point is His death sees Him die no more and the nature of His resurrection, that was very visible, will be that of our own.

[KeptByTheWord]

I think that the disciples, after seeing Jesus in his natural physical body, and then seeing his spiritual resurrected body gave them hope for their lives, and for their eternity. We don't have the privilege of witnessing Jesus as a physical human being, and then as a spiritual being that could move wherever it desired, and eat and drink... but seeing Jesus like that was enough for all the disciples to sell out their lives completely and give themselves to the Lord without hesitation, because of the miraculous event that they had witnessed. And Jesus said, blessed are they who believe without seeing. Because Jesus received a spiritual body after his resurrection, then so shall we. It is our hope.

[Aquila]

Anyone ever heard of "Christoplatonism"?

A lot of it can be seen in this thread.

[thephnxman]

Will we know our father, mother, sisters, brothers, wives, husbands, etc. ?

We must take into account that many of our loved ones, although currently saved, have
brought us grief, sorrow, and some even sin and torment. So the question becomes: is there
grief, sorrow, sin and torment in heaven? Of course not! There must not be any remembrance
of anything that would hinder our worship and praise to Him who created us in love.

We will remember our loved ones only as overcomers: as BRETHREN!

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Anyone ever heard of "Christoplatonism"?

A lot of it can be seen in this thread.

nope, just your ref. Synopsis?

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I think that the disciples, after seeing Jesus in his natural physical body, and then seeing his spiritual resurrected body gave them hope for their lives, and for their eternity. We don't have the privilege of witnessing Jesus as a physical human being, and then as a spiritual being that could move wherever it desired, and eat and drink... but seeing Jesus like that was enough for all the disciples to sell out their lives completely and give themselves to the Lord without hesitation, because of the miraculous event that they had witnessed. And Jesus said, blessed are they who believe without seeing. Because Jesus received a spiritual body after his resurrection, then so shall we. It is our hope.

yes, they all pretty much suffered quite heinous deaths, in following Christ.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Will we know our father, mother, sisters, brothers, wives, husbands, etc. ?

We must take into account that many of our loved ones, although currently saved, have
brought us grief, sorrow, and some even sin and torment. So the question becomes: is there
grief, sorrow, sin and torment in heaven? Of course not! There must not be any remembrance
of anything that would hinder our worship and praise to Him who created us in love.

We will remember our loved ones only as overcomers: as BRETHREN!

ok let's get real, and quote Scripture, and at least suggest that "most" of any group you care to delineate are not going to be accepted--your seminary indoctrination notwithstanding, with all due respect. Let's at least admit that you have patted many hands obviously dying a sin unto death, and told them that they would be in heaven soon.

Also, we see a black and white line dividing heaven and hell, when Scripture gives many indications that there are degrees. These over-literal views of spiritual conditions drive me nuts, sorry. Hell is being powerless in a place where others--that you once perceived as "inferiors"--have power. Or ability. however you might describe it.

[shazeep]

is there grief sorrow sin etc "in" heaven? Of course not! Because there is no place called "heaven." It simply does not exist in the manner that we think of as "existence." Could those in heaven be seen or whatever by those in hell? God forbid, right? But we have more than one indication that this is exactly the case.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

: lol ok let's get real, and (4)(quote Scripture, and (3)at least suggest that "most" of any group you care to delineate are not going to be accepted--your seminary indoctrination notwithstanding, with all due respect. (2)Let's at least admit that you have patted many hands obviously dying a sin unto death, and told them that they would be in heaven soon.
Also, we see a black and white line dividing heaven and hell, when Scripture gives many indications that there are degrees. These over-literal views of spiritual conditions drive me nuts, sorry. (1)Hell is being powerless in a place where others--that you once perceived as "inferiors"--have power. Or ability. however you might describe it.

Let's begin with your last statement first.

(1) You must believe that we are already in hell...or so it seems.

(2) You want me to admit that the words you have tried to put in my
mouth are true. You are neglecting that I believe and practice the Gospel
of Jesus Christ.
(3) I am taking for granted, according to the introduction of the thread,
that those whom we will see "in heaven" are saved. According to sound
doctrine, those without the gospel will NOT be there.
(4) I don't see you quoting any scripture, or following context!

Many folks don't seem to understand that speaking in the context and content
of scripture is equivalent to QUOTING scripture; even as LIVING a godly life.
It is up to the "Bereans" to search out the matter.

HEY! I'm speaking in eighth grade English, here!

[shazeep]

1) no, i would say that it is better stated that we only grasp the concepts of heaven and hell poorly, and that they are spiritual concepts that Scripture can only provide parables for. To clarify this, i would like to ask you a question: where is the kingdom of heaven?
2) i have no doubt that you seek to do so within the framework that you have accepted; but i do not know your fruit, so would not attempt a reply to this last part. as to the first, really a simple "no, i have never lied to any of the many, many people who believed that they were going to heaven, when it was obvious that they were dying the sin unto death," or "Yes, ..."as i don't wish to speak for you. so, yes or no...but really, who are we kidding.

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[shazeep]

3) you are assuming, by this answer, that you will be in heaven, when wadr i am not at all convinced that this is the case, and you cannot prove it by any means. I mean the same to apply to myself. I would like to suggest that heaven and hell are two opposite ends of the same spectrum, and that one may fall anywhere along the line between them; and that there is very likely no line dividing them.

4) You are already familiar with the Scriptures i would quote, phoenix; you just have been convinced to apply them to others; when Scripture is meant to be applied to oneself. Many will cry 'Lord, Lord,' the teachings of the Nicolaitins, who would institute earthly priests, No one knows where they go when they die, Saul's discussion with the deceased Samuel via The Witch of Endor...i could go on.