will you know your loved ones in heaven

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by shazeep

"eagle saints"

Not sure what you are implying with your "LOL" ?

If it is just the name-title, I agree with the missing of the mark humor through a Boy Scout achievement award being given to anyone who would give up their earthly life to follow after Jesus Christ........ After all the eagle is an unclean bird, and Bill Britton while way better than most did not get it anywhere near all right. However, outside of the apostles I am not sure anyone else has ever gotten even close to the fulness of Christ in their achievements

On the other hand Jesus Himself taught of those who received the seed in their hearts would vary in their maturity

Some thirty fold, some 60, some 100 fold

This seed is the seed from the tree of life that the 100 fold overcomers are exact reproductions of through the law of the seed being fulfilled in them.

[good samaritan]

I have noticed many on here do not like to hear the word rapture. Maybe we should start saying resurrected instead. Most of the people here believe there will be a resurrection. Livelystone, if you are inferring there will be no resurrection and that the kingdom of heaven is life as we know it on this earth we will have to part ways on this. The kingdom of heaven is here with us today, but there is still yet fulfillment. If I have only hope in this life, I am above men most miserable.

I agree there is a lot of shallow thinking concerning the kingdom of heaven, but we have to start where people are. If I start teaching a lot of deep philosophical teachings to people who's faith is not ready I can harm them more than help them. scripture teaches that we now see through a glass darkly and I don't think that God expects us to understand all of the eternal mysteries to be a part of that kingdom.

I believe in a rapture, and I also believe God for miracles. That fact that I await His return does not hinder me from doing His work. The Holy Ghost is the earnest of our inheritance. If you want to believe that you have the full inheritance here and now, then go ahead, but I am awaiting more.

[good samaritan]

P.S. I believe that signs follow them that believe. Though signs are real they are not what we should build our faith on. If signs is what we prove our ministry by, then we and the anti christ have something in common.

[KeptByTheWord]

I don't know that there is a clear scriptural teaching one way or the other about what will happen to our remembrance of this life in heaven. In Rev. 21:4 it does say there will be no more tears, no death, no sorrow, no crying nor pain, and then it says - for the former things are passed away. What this exactly means is hard to say. But, I trust the character of God that whatever He has planned for that day will be exactly the best for us.

[good samaritan]

Here is scripture to consider:

Mt. 22:23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, 24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 25 Now there were with us seven brethren:and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

[shazeep]

New Living Translation
You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I have noticed many on here do not like to hear the word rapture. Maybe we should start saying resurrected instead. Most of the people here believe there will be a resurrection. Livelystone, if you are inferring there will be no resurrection and that the kingdom of heaven is life as we know it on this earth we will have to part ways on this. The kingdom of heaven is here with us today, but there is still yet fulfillment. If I have only hope in this life, I am above men most miserable.

I agree there is a lot of shallow thinking concerning the kingdom of heaven, but we have to start where people are. If I start teaching a lot of deep philosophical teachings to people who's faith is not ready I can harm them more than help them. scripture teaches that we now see through a glass darkly and I don't think that God expects us to understand all of the eternal mysteries to be a part of that kingdom.

I believe in a rapture, and I also believe God for miracles. That fact that I await His return does not hinder me from doing His work. The Holy Ghost is the earnest of our inheritance. If you want to believe that you have the full inheritance here and now, then go ahead, but I am awaiting more.

The way the Resurrection and rapture are currently being taught in 99% of the church, it is impossible to separate the two.

However, if anyone should even suggest the slightest possibility that I do not believe in a resurrection for all persons even if not until the end of this life, is not doing a disservice to just myself, but also to the truth of God and the work of His Son and Holy Spirit.

For that matter not only do I put my life on the line that there is a resurrection, I am bold enough to say I am one of the very few who have not only been declared dead by both man and machine, but have experienced the resurrection of the dead and the following judgment before being sent back to this life.

Although there are finally some teachings albeit juvenile in their content of the truth of the resurrection becoming available to us in this life without dying, I have walked this path alone and taught it as God would have it taught at great cost in friend and fellowship for several years now.

For sure I am intimately familiar with the phrase "these wounds are from those of my own house".

To keep anyone from having to go elsewhere to read about my resurrection experience I have posted it here

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...58#post1368858

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

Not sure what you are implying with your "LOL" ?

oh--me neither. No implication meant. The image the phrase evoked just struck me as funny--it may not have been meant the way i took it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes we will.

This seems to show we will.

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Lafon

No, we will neither know or be known by anyone whom we knew while a resident of the earth .....

I know of no other passage of the Scripture which make this more clear than those of Isaiah 65:17

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

Absolutely NOTHING of this life will ever enter into the minds of those in heaven. It will be as if this present life never happened.

Heaven would not be a very happy place if it should be that we fail to find those there whom we loved dearly in this life but for some reason they are not a resident there.

We know others in this life only! Once either we, or they, experience death, all ties with them are forever severed!

There is only One whom I have known in this life that I want to know there, and that is my wondrously indescribable Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Let's look at this verse closely...

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

Our world is riddled with the consequences of the fall. We have sickness, disease, aging, suffering, pain, and death. The New Heavens and the New Earth that God will create for us will be so wonderful, all the suffering and woe that fills this world will not come to mind. It isn't a "memory erase". It is more like what happens to women after they have given birth. While in labor a woman feels perhaps the greatest pain imaginable to mankind. However, after the child is born and she holds it in her arms... she forgets the pain. Oh, she knows she went through it. She can "remember" the event. But the experiential reality of the pain is... not remembered. It has been said that if a woman could remember the pain, no woman would ever have more than one child! LOL But a woman forgets the pain and agony of labor. So too will we forget the pain and agony of this world when we are walking in the eternal joys and glory of God's New Heaven and New Earth.

You said something that is an important issue with many of us. This is what you wrote...

Heaven would not be a very happy place if it should be that we fail to find those there whom we loved dearly in this life but for some reason they are not a resident there.

Most who teach that we will experience a spiritual amnesia fail to realize... we'd forget all that we learned about Jesus. We will forget our relationship with Him, or testimonies, and where we came from also. For most, the spiritual amnesia theory is rooted in the above, a fear for missing loved ones who don't make it. A spiritual amnesia isn't a human answer. Nor is it a logical one. But rather we read...

Revelation 21:4 (KJV)
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

If there are no memories, no pain, no sorrow... why are there tears. Many say, "there will be no tears in Heaven". That is a very unbiblical statement. For if there are no tears, what is God personally wiping away as a loving Father? The love, comfort, and joys that God brings to the soul will be enough to comfort and bring solace to the hurting soul. There will be no more death, sorrow, crying, or pain throughout the expanse of eternity. And so in this... the tears will cease and comfort will come. We will see and understand how they chose their eternity and how eternity with God would be a virtual "hell" for them. For they are unsurrendered souls incapable of such a state of existence.

All of Heaven's resources will be opened wide for mankind to review. There will be nothing that will be left unknown. Every thought and deed recorded, will fill vast libraries beyond human imagination. Oh, my, what a glorious existence the New Creation will be!!!