Angels reproducing with humans possible?

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Don't get me wrong. I don't believe that this demonic "lust" was one that accompanies a need or desire for sex. Angels are sexless spirits. However, it was a lust for the daughters of men that these beings my abuse them and use them to accomplish a blasphemous and diabolical plan. They sired the Nephilim. The Nephilim, Giants, that resulted from a number of these unions (and apparently unions that took place after the flood) were therefore a class of demon/human spawn. They were attempting to create an army of imitation "Christs"... Jesus Christ being God/man. This was a blasphemous mockery of God's plan regarding the incarnation and a bold and daring attempt to hijack man's worship by giving demon/human "Christ figures". These Nephilim are the demigods of legend, false Christs (Hercules, Perseus, Zethes, Iasus, Dardanus, Polyphemus, and others). Notice how many of these demigods have stories so ancient their origin is unknown... stories that often seem "Christlike" (sired by a "god", born of a virgin, sacrificing self for man's benefit, etc.). This was a demonic attempt to muddy the waters as it relates to the truth of the incarnation.

And I have no doubt that these beings would all be connected to the mysteries of highly advanced ancient civilizations. While Enoch has clearly been messed with... the gist of the story is that these fallen angels taught mankind how to do many wicked things relating to science, war, sorcery, etc. They fed man's sinful desires and put man's decadence on "fast forward". God had to destroy the entire world to get things back on track. The angels that did this were then bound (in addition to any angels doing this after the flood) in chains of darkness as examples that God will NOT tolerate such actions. No doubt Satan enjoyed watching these angels wreak such havoc on earth. However, Satan had the wisdom not to partake in the sin himself. And so, he remains free, roaming as a roaring lion until this very day.

"DON'T GET ME WRONG..."? How can that NOT happen?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Don't get me wrong. I don't believe that this demonic "lust" was one that accompanies a need or desire for sex. Angels are sexless spirits. However, it was a lust for the daughters of men that these beings my abuse them and use them to accomplish a blasphemous and diabolical plan. They sired the Nephilim. The Nephilim, Giants, that resulted from a number of these unions (and apparently unions that took place after the flood) were therefore a class of demon/human spawn. They were attempting to create an army of imitation "Christs"... Jesus Christ being God/man. This was a blasphemous mockery of God's plan regarding the incarnation and a bold and daring attempt to hijack man's worship by giving demon/human "Christ figures". These Nephilim are the demigods of legend, false Christs (Hercules, Perseus, Zethes, Iasus, Dardanus, Polyphemus, and others). Notice how many of these demigods have stories so ancient their origin is unknown... stories that often seem "Christlike" (sired by a "god", born of a virgin, sacrificing self for man's benefit, etc.). This was a demonic attempt to muddy the waters as it relates to the truth of the incarnation.

And I have no doubt that these beings would all be connected to the mysteries of highly advanced ancient civilizations. While Enoch has clearly been messed with... the gist of the story is that these fallen angels taught mankind how to do many wicked things relating to science, war, sorcery, etc. They fed man's sinful desires and put man's decadence on "fast forward". God had to destroy the entire world to get things back on track. The angels that did this were then bound (in addition to any angels doing this after the flood) in chains of darkness as examples that God will NOT tolerate such actions. No doubt Satan enjoyed watching these angels wreak such havoc on earth. However, Satan had the wisdom not to partake in the sin himself. And so, he remains free, roaming as a roaring lion until this very day.

i've heard it posited that "just as in the days of Noah" could mean gene manipulation. Heard some explanations that all the Bird-men, etc on Egyptian steles were actually depictions of these. Dunno.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Carl

I did'nt know that the book of Jasher actually still existed after thousands of years. The book of Joshua does reference it though.

People found all the references in the bible to ancient books that actually existed, and made writings up and called them by those names. I give nothing for these alleged books.

[mfblume]

One last word from me on the subject. Can't resist. lol. This entire issue is really in the category of getting us away from the major issues we should be focusing upon.

Okay, i'm off the soapbox for tonight.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i've heard it posited that "just as in the days of Noah" could mean gene manipulation. Heard some explanations that all the Bird-men, etc on Egyptian steles were actually depictions of these. Dunno.

I think that is weird. lol But you know, anything is possible.

I think the point of "as in the days of Noah" means that men will be excessively wicked due to demonic involvement. In the Revelation we see demons and fallen angels, that are currently bound (those from the days of Noah?) released to wreak havoc upon the world. Makes one wonder...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

One last word from me on the subject. Can't resist. lol. This entire issue is really in the category of getting us away from the major issues we should be focusing upon.

Okay, i'm off the soapbox for tonight.

It's not a major issue.

For some, it is more than just an ancient historical account of an event that has no bearing on our walk in faith. For some, this explains the difference between the unclean spirits and fallen angels we encounter today. As someone pointed out, some believe there is an element of prophecy to the story as it might relate to the end of the world in our dispensation.

[shazeep]

gene manip is a relatively new thing in our world; and there are many indications that gene manip existed in Noah's day.

Originally Posted by mfblume

People found all the references in the bible to ancient books that actually existed, and made writings up and called them by those names. I give nothing for these alleged books.

i'm also sceptical of most/all of them; the Rosicrucians apparently find it authentic, which should tell one all they need to know!

[Sean]

Jesus says they are unable to marry .....Mark 12:25

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.




This says they got married....

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.



Definitely not angels getting married.

[shazeep]

ok well i am persuaded. This reinforces that gene manipulation is a possible cause for nephilim to me. Or?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Sean

Jesus says they are unable to marry .....Mark 12:25

Jesus didn't say that angels are "unable" to marry. Jesus implied that the holy angels of Heaven do not marry.

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

This says they got married....

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Definitely not angels getting married.

Unholy angels sin... meaning they do things that are against God's natural order.