Angels reproducing with humans possible?

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

No, Satan does not have access to God's throne, and Rev. 12:10 DOES NOT "plainly state" that he does.
Otherwise I would have plainly read "throne of God" in the verse.

Yes, Satan is one of the "disobedient angels".

Again, an emphatic no: Satan is not before God's throne even for a second, nor can he be. Fact is, I
don't believe Satan will even be before the Lord's Throne at the judgment! You see, "...the prince of this
world is judged. "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where
the beast and the false prophet are...".

I have stated that there were no "laws" in eternity by which to judge Lucifer (now called satan or the devil):
none "Thou shalt's", nor any "There shalt not's". There is only one eternal law that I can see: the Law of Holiness.
A man called to be a prophet stood before the Lord: he was "...a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of
a people of unclean lips...". But an a seraphim touched the man's lips with a live coal from the altar. Look, the live
coal was handled with tongs and touched the man's lips so that "...thine iniquity is taken away, and thy
sins purged." Can you see how much more wonderful is our calling than that of the angels? Can you see that
iniquity has to be taken out of the way for anyone (including the devil) to be able to be before God?

How, then, does Satan accuse the brethren all day? To our face! What is temptation and seduction, but Satan accusing us:
saying we are not worthy, or wanting us to deny the Word that beget us? Satan can NOT get closer to God than accusing the
church of iniquity and sin! Or have we forgotten: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Yes. "...let God be true...; and let every man's iniquity be taken outof the way, and his sins purged."

Then you must also believe that the "war" prophesied to occur in heaven (as stated in the words of Revelation 10:7-9) has already taken place, right? If that were true, then perhaps I would concur that your stated view is correct.

However, I beg to differ, for I construe this prophecy as an event that is yet to transpire in the future (albeit perhaps sooner than any could even imagine). The reason being, Satan has NOT yet been cast out of heaven, and continues to exercise the same privilege which God gave every member of the angelic host from the beginning of their creation, that is, the freedom of movement throughout the heavens and the earth.

It is my belief that the ONLY major or significant factor which resulted from Satan and his band's rebellion against God's authority and Lordship, is, as stated in the words of II Peter 2:4 & Jude 6, "he hath reserved (them) in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" ("darkness" meaning, gross spiritual blindness which prevents them from properly discerning truth and error).

When our Lord stated, as written in Luke 10:18, that "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven," He was speaking as the Spirit, whom the Romans writer advises "calleth those things which be not as though they were" (Romans 4:17). He was NOT speaking of an event that had already taken place at some unspecified moment PRIOR to God's creation and physical placement of man upon the earth!

Apparently you do not agree with this, believing that the "war" in heaven is an "historic event," therefore neither Satan nor any member of his wicked band currently have access to heaven. As such, you unwittingly cause the prophecies written in the book of Revelation, as explicitly stated in its opening passage (Revelation 1:1), to be NO prophecies at all. I find that to be most astounding!

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Then you must also believe that the "war" prophesied to occur in heaven (as stated in the words of Revelation 10:7-9) has already taken place, right? If that were true, then perhaps I would concur that your stated view is correct.
However, I beg to differ, for I construe this prophecy as an event that is yet to transpire in the future (albeit perhaps sooner than any could even imagine). The reason being, Satan has NOT yet been cast out of heaven, and continues to exercise the same privilege which God gave every member of the angelic host from the beginning of their creation, that is, the freedom of movement throughout the heavens and the earth.
It is my belief that the ONLY major or significant factor which resulted from Satan and his band's rebellion against God's authority and Lordship, is, as stated in the words of II Peter 2:4 & Jude 6, "he hath reserved (them) in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" ("darkness" meaning, gross spiritual blindness which prevents them from properly discerning truth and error).
When our Lord stated, as written in Luke 10:18, that "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven," He was speaking as the Spirit, whom the Romans writer advises "calleth those things which be not as though they were" (Romans 4:17). He was NOT speaking of an event that had already taken place at some unspecified moment PRIOR to God's creation and physical placement of man upon the earth!
Apparently you do not agree with this, believing that the "war" in heaven is an "historic event," therefore neither Satan nor any member of his wicked band currently have access to heaven. As such, you unwittingly cause the prophecies written in the book of Revelation, as explicitly stated in its opening passage (Revelation 1:1), to be NO prophecies at all. I find that to be most astounding!

Beloved, if you want to refute my statement(s), please wait until I post: (I don't want to flaunt my 9th grade education).
I hope the following keeps us on track.

FREE LESSON: DEBATING 101

1) LISTEN to the argument: and offer a refutation to only that argument;

2) OFFER a reason (contrast/contradiction) for refuting;

3) Wait for a refutation;

4) Be sure to follow scriptural context.

EXAMPLE OF SCRIPTURAL CONTEXT

Example 1: Be aware that we live in 2 realms, the spiritual and natural: that which is holy in the spiritual realm,
will not contradict that which is holy in the natural realm; and that which is evil in the spiritual real, will not
contradict that which is evil in the natural realm.

Example 2: Interpret the Old Testament in the light of the New Testament; DO NOT interpret
the New Testament in the light of the Old Testament.

If that's OK, we can proceed.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

FREE LESSON: DEBATING 101

1) LISTEN to the argument: and offer a refutation to only that argument;

2) OFFER a reason (contrast/contradiction) for refuting;

3) Wait for a refutation;

4) Be sure to follow scriptural context.

EXAMPLE OF SCRIPTURAL CONTEXT

Example 1: Be aware that we live in 2 realms, the spiritual and natural: that which is holy in the spiritual realm,
will not contradict that which is holy in the natural realm; and that which is evil in the spiritual real, will not
contradict that which is evil in the natural realm.

Example 2: Interpret the Old Testament in the light of the New Testament; DO NOT interpret
the New Testament in the light of the Old Testament.

If that's OK, we can proceed.

Sorry, my friend, it appears that your evasive, haughty attitude has just brought any further dialogue between you and I to an abrupt end!

I've consistently endeavored to respond to your comments, (not only in this Thread, but others as well), yet it appears you have formed an opinion of me and my beliefs because they apparently differ from yours, failing/refusing to answer any of my questions, which leaves NO room for discussion.

I will put you on IGNORE immediately, and I do so with extreme regret, for you will be the first in my 7 years of membership on AFF that I have deemed such actions necessary.

If I may be granted the privilege of repeating the words of Paul, I feel compelled to tender this question to you (and not another): "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" (Galatians 4:16)

I, sir, am NOT your enemy, rather I am a "brother in Christ," having been blessed to possess the SAME "Holy Spirit" as you and water baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ," and this regardless of whether you believe it to be true or not!

I extend to you my warmest regards, and my hope is that God will always bless you!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

All Jesus said was that angels don't marry, nor are they given in marriage. Jesus said nothing about existing limits of their abilities. Too many people read too much into the text. The subject was marriage in the resurrection.

That is not even worth a response. (Not saying you don't have good things to post. Just this one... is....)

Open your eyes, people.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That is not even worth a response. (Not saying you don't have good things to post. Just this one... is....)
Open your eyes, people.

Yeah, that's it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That is not even worth a response. (Not saying you don't have good things to post. Just this one... is....)

Open your eyes, people.

Please understand, I'm not saying that holy angels have a sex drive. Nor am I saying that by nature angels reproduce like animals. Angels are spirit. What I am saying is that if a holy angel can take physical form and eat with Abraham or take physical form and wrestle Jacob... what would prevent an evil angel from taking physical form and raping the daughters of men, if it's vile and sadistic desire was to do so? And, what would prevent a fully functional physical form from being able to reproduce?

[Aquila]

Given the satanic power of the fallen angels, if they could reproduce with human beings... might their half-devil/half-human offspring be mutant and perhaps "giant"? Would their nature not be filled with satanic evil? And being half-human/half-fallen angel... might not their souls be unable to be entirely classified as human or angel? Being such, might these disembodied souls be cursed to roam the earth seeking bodies through which to live out their evil desires? Would they not be considered "unclean spirits" or classified as "demons"?

[Aquila]

And wouldn't the evil angels who sinned in this manner have committed a GRAVE ABOMINATION in God's sight? Might not God have bound them chains until the Great Day of Judgment to prevent such insanity from happening again?

And wouldn't it stand to reason that such unchecked evil (an evil that even Satan himself has never committed) would have deeply corrupted the entire world to such an extend that it would warrant God sending a global judgment upon the entire world?

Might the most ancient and mysterious civilizations be the remnants of this Antediluvian society? Might the mystery of how massive stones were moved, carved, placed, shaped, etc. be linked to the satanic power of these beings as they began to rule and essentially claim to be gods on earth?

[shazeep]

hmm first comes the natural, and then the spiritual...your descriptions of nephilim closely matches the descriptions of many people, possibly. i would say definitely. the cult of self is completely overt now.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by shazeep

hmm first comes the natural, and then the spiritual...your descriptions of nephilim closely matches the descriptions of many people, possibly. i would say definitely. the cult of self is completely overt now.

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