Client Nation

[whoiskaiser77]

I believe that we are blessed as a nation in part because of our relationship with Israel the physical nation. I know they have rejected Jesus, but they are still God's chosen people.

We're blessed by blessing them.

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Originally Posted by whoiskaiser77

I believe that we are blessed as a nation in part because of our relationship with Israel the physical nation. I know they have rejected Jesus, but they are still God's chosen people.

We're blessed by blessing them.

I do not believe they are God's chosen people as they once were. Personally, I feel scriptures teaches The church is the chosen now, and they need to be in on it. God still honours them for the sake of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but they do not have the chosen status amongst the nations like the church does now.

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When God said this...

Gen 12:3 KJV And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

What that means is this...

Gal 3:8-10 KJV And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. (9) So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. (10) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Israel under the law is not blessed but under a curse. When it said the blessing of Abraham it refers today to those who have faith in Jesus.

Everyone really needs to read that carefully.

And then...

Gen 17:8 KJV And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Paul distinctly said this about that phrase:

Gal 3:16 KJV Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:29 KJV And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[KeptByTheWord]

I just can't get away from the writing about Israel in Romans 10 and 11, especially where it says Rom. 11:29 that the gifts and callings of God are without repentance. It does seem as though the Gentiles have certainly entered into the promise given to Abraham, but that at some point in time a collective remnant of Jews will call on the Lord and be saved.

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I just can't get away from the writing about Israel in Romans 10 and 11, especially where it says Rom. 11:29 that the gifts and callings of God are without repentance. It does seem as though the Gentiles have certainly entered into the promise given to Abraham, but that at some point in time a collective remnant of Jews will call on the Lord and be saved.

Yes Israel will be saved. It's just that they don't hold the chosen status they did before the cross. That's why Paul said for the fathers' sake they are beloved. Before the cross they were the only people of God.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by shazeep

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it."

If I may, i'd like to direct the thread back to the Client Nation doctrine, and its veracity in light of the above verse. Any thoughts here?

[Carl]

Yes Shazeep, I would say the only "client nation" is the holy nation or Kingdom of God rather than an ethnic or political nation. It seems Israel got a little carried away with being the favored nation of God when really they were what God wanted for all the world. It is the history of restoration starting with a man, then a family, and then a nation. Since God is restoring and reuniting all people he would not neccesarily favor one specific group over another. I recently read Greg Boyd's book "The Myth of the Christian Nation" which deals with the idea of the U.S or any other nation being the chosen nation. Also read his book "The Myth of a Christian Religion" which deals with the true kingdom and how it is manifested. If the bearing of fruits is the real indicator, then the kingdom would be the only true nation, which all people can belong to. Hope that contributes to the topic!

[shazeep]

actually very much, yes. Rereading the context seems to verify this to me. I have heard of GBoyd; the 2nd title particularly sounds interesting! The first sounds more to the point for this topic, but i think that's done. Thanks!