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Old 02-22-2015, 06:38 AM
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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

where do you even find those? is there a list somewhere? Oh, found them; my edit window was too big.

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Old 02-22-2015, 05:42 PM
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Yes, once you leave and start examining everything you have been taught your whole life you discover interesting life changing things like the fact that trinitarians do NOT believe in three Gods! Once that bogeyman is gone other believers are no longer demonized and de-christianized.

Then of course the whole three step vs one step for salvation comes into play. If that is done correctly then water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit is still emphasized just not as something that determines your salvation but as something every christian should want.
I think we will have to agree to disagree.
I did leave (in my know-it-all youth) and came back, AFTER I examined everything.
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Old 02-22-2015, 08:06 PM
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I think we will have to agree to disagree.
I did leave (in my know-it-all youth) and came back, AFTER I examined everything.
Did you leave or backslide? So far over the years on AFF when people talked about leaving old time Pentecost and becoming liberal then coming back to old time Pentecost when I questioned them further it turned out they had just backslid. The admitted when they left old time Pentecost they were no longer praying, reading their bible, nor attending a Spirit filled church regularly, etc.

I am not saying that is your case but will be interested for you to clarify your statement.
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Old 02-23-2015, 08:57 AM
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Good question, CC1.
Don't know that I can answer it, according to your definition.
I was attending other churches and still reading and praying.
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Having sex can be quit. People may have to be delivered of some of lustful desires but the act of fornication is a choice. God will never possess your body and do the work for you. Where there is no sex there is no need for a person to explain their sexuality. No matter what a person's desires if they are not actively engaging in the sin they don't have to claim to be anything. So you can quit being homosexual.
Whose gonna check their bedroom? Reminds me of preachers wives checking girl luggage for illegal pajamas.

Just preach the gospel, counsel those that come for it, if there is no overt behavior in the church, leave them alone, and let the Lord do his work.

But he can't do his work if you abort the seed of truth and faith in a person's heart before it can take root.

If the Lord doesn't do the work all your efforts are vain, they'll just leave and remain in their sin, convinced that like you, God hates them.
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Old 03-01-2015, 11:18 AM
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hmm, i have yet to witness any even covert hatred in GS' posts, wadr. Did you find that reflection hateful? It seemed pretty inclusive to me.
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