Why I Am A Futurist - Page 33

good samaritan · #**321** 02-11-2015, 01:33 PM

MB I have been thinking about the kingdom conversation we had earlier. The church is the kingdom of God I understand that you believe the development of the church fulfills all the kingdom prophecy. Most futurists look to natural Israel for fullfilment of those prophecy's. I am seeing duality in things. I said on another thread that I don't think the nation of Israel will receive any eternal inheritance on the grounds of being a Jew, but I do believe that it could quiet possibly be a earthly manifestation of what God is doing in regards to prophecy. The idea that God is going to close the door to the gentiles and open it to Jews is wrong(I think). For the door is not closed on the Jew now to receive the Spirit of God. As a nation yes I see where they are under strong delusion, but I have faith that any Jew alive today can become part of that spiritual kingdom the church. I believe as long as this world stands there will be hope for those who believe on Him. I have not found a rapture prior to His second coming, but I am open minded and eager to hear any valid points. I still don't know?

Michael The Disciple · #**322** 02-11-2015, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowas

Only one problem with, (if I understand you are trying to claim AD70 was not the generation Jesus, Apostles and fortunately the Christians in Jerusalem in AD70 believed it was concerning Matt 24 and fled Jerusalem to the saving of themselves) but in the year 1940 seems there was @18,000,000 Jews world wide.
AD 70 was the worst, not due to the quantity of killed and scattered to the nations, but the magnitude of the crime/event of even why it occured.

Don't even try to make it seem I downplay the autroucities of the Hitler era, but AD 70 is what Matt 24 is prophesying

Is that what you are claiming?

So do you believe Jesus came and took his people to Heaven in 70ad?

good samaritan · #**323** 02-11-2015, 01:58 PM

I have just had the thought. In the book I think 1 Samuel when the children of Israel said give us a king so we can be like the other nations it is just like that. The nation of Israel wanted to cease being the kingdom of God and be a kingdom like other nations. From that time to now there has been small revivals as a nation, but throughout scripture I don't see them ever really getting a foot hold again. The natural nation of Israel was contented to just be another kingdom instead of being the kingdom of God. I am broad brushing the nation of Israel and I realize that, because I know there has always been a remnant who continued to serve God.

good samaritan · #**324** 02-11-2015, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So do you believe Jesus came and took his people to Heaven in 70ad?

I think that the preterists argument is that He came and made his people the kingdom of Heaven. I think they are correct in ways, but they may not be prepared for the tragedy that is to come upon this earth. The church is the kingdom of God, but everyone that professes to be part of the Church may soon realize that there is more to it that they believe. Every thing is built upon the foundation will be tried by fire and not every work will stand. I want to be ready!!!!

Bowas · #**325** 02-11-2015, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So do you believe Jesus came and took his people to Heaven in 70ad?

Not at all. AD 70 was not that type coming, just a localized coming in judgement.

Sean · #**326** 02-11-2015, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowas

Only one problem with, (if I understand you are trying to claim AD70 was not the generation Jesus, Apostles and fortunately the Christians in Jerusalem in AD70 believed it was concerning Matt 24 and fled Jerusalem to the saving of themselves) but in the year 1940 seems there was @18,000,000 Jews world wide.
AD 70 was the worst, not due to the quantity of killed and scattered to the nations, but the magnitude of the crime/event of even why it occured.

Don't even try to make it seem I downplay the autroucities of the Hitler era, but AD 70 is what Matt 24 is prophesying

Is that what you are claiming?

This estimate I posted was nearly 70% of Jews killed that lived in the world in 1940.

This is over 2/3 wiped out in one war.

The besiege of the city of Jerusalem was a terrible blow to the Jews in 70ad, but the Romans offered surrender as an alternative to death as slaves to those that were in the city.

Did the 3rd reicht of Stalin etc. offer an alternative to death?

In my opinion, world war 2 was MUCH worse on the Jews than the 70ad era.

Sean · #**327** 02-11-2015, 02:25 PM

The 70ad massacre was brought on because of insurrections...

The Holocaust was touched off for no reason at all(yet almost 70% of Jews perished on earth)...

Bowas · #**328** 02-11-2015, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

The 70ad massacre was brought on because of insurrections...

The Holocaust was touched off for no reason at all(yet almost 70% of Jews perished on earth)...

So AD70 coming of the Lord in judgement against Jerusalem where he destroyed the temple, as he prophecied, is a mere blip on the radar and didn't warrant any prophecies, particularly in that the temple, the central point of their religion, has no prophetic significance?

So wrong...BTW, Im glad the Christians at that time believed Jesus' words and fled when they saw Jerusalem surrounded/encompassed by armies.

Also, double check your numbers how many Jews were around globally during Hitlers time.

Michael The Disciple · #**329** 02-11-2015, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowas

Not at all. AD 70 was not that type coming, just a localized coming in judgement.

Ok so to get me focused....you are a "partial" preterist? And there are actually people who DO believe that Jesus came and took Christians away to Heaven? They are "full" preterists?

shazeep · #**330** 02-11-2015, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

I have just had the thought. In the book I think 1 Samuel when the children of Israel said give us a king so we can be like the other nations it is just like that. The nation of Israel wanted to cease being the kingdom of God and be a kingdom like other nations. From that time to now there has been small revivals as a nation, but throughout scripture I don't see them ever really getting a foot hold again. The natural nation of Israel was contented to just be another kingdom instead of being the kingdom of God.

yup. The man-made, Zionist farce is no different, even if God did allow it, imo.