Why I Am A Futurist

[Sean]

January 15, 2015 post from institue of creation research(ICR)

The Holy City
“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.” (Revelation 21:2-3)

On the night of the last supper, Jesus made a wonderful promise to His disciples: “In my Father’s house are many mansions. . . . I go to prepare a place for you. And . . . I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also” (John 14:2-3). Eventually, at His second coming, those who belong to Him shall be with Him.

That this promise applies to all His disciples (not just the eleven in the upper room) is evident in His prayer right after this conversation: “Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word. . . . Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am” (John 17:20, 24). When the Lord returns, or when we die as believers, “so shall we ever be with the Lord” (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

That place where we shall be with Him, which He is still preparing for us, is the Holy City, new Jerusalem; for our text says that “he will dwell with them” there and be their God. The last two chapters of the Bible describe in some detail that beautiful “tabernacle of God,” in which we who believe in Christ will all have our Christ-prepared mansions some day.

This magnificent city is not heaven, for John saw it “coming down from God out of heaven.” Right now, therefore, it is in heaven, where the Lord Jesus is, along with the souls of those believers who already have gone “to be present with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:8). There in the Holy City, “the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him” with eternal joy (Revelation 22:3). HMM



Brethren, you arent just going to be floating around on clouds. Dont you forget it!!!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Could Mt. 24 find partial fulfillment in A.D. 70?

No, because the tribulation would be such as was never before and never again. If AD70 was the trib, then it was worse than anything to come, disallowing for future. If the future is the trib then it is worse than anything before, disallowing again.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ever notice how Preterists read into history books the way they accuse Futurists of reading into newspaper headlines? lol

Say what you will, but the early church fled Jerusalem AD68 in answer to Christ's command in Matt 24. Thank God they did not believe futurism.

And by the way, that is not true. I post TWO MESSAGES out of the ... I'm sure... hundreds of messages on prophecy, and while futurists are going to the newspapers over and over again, and I get accused of doing with history what futurists do with newspapers?

You guys tend to lose a little honesty when you write things like this. You have to admit that by FAR we use BIBLE to prove our points. In fact, I never even resorted to history until MTD asked for history about Antiochus. Try again, please.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Say what you will, but the early church fled Jerusalem AD68 in answer to Christ's command in Matt 24. Thank God they did not believe futurism.
And by the way, that is not true. I post TWO MESSAGES out of the ... I'm sure... hundreds of messages on prophecy, and while futurists are going to the newspapers over and over again, and I get accused of doing with history what futurists do with newspapers?
You guys tend to lose a little honesty when you write things like this. You have to admit that by FAR we use BIBLE to prove our points. In fact, I never even resorted to history until MTD asked for history about Antiochus. Try again, please.

"WE", Kemo Sabe?

[good samaritan]

How do you see the seven trumpets fulfillment of Rev. 8 & 9?

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No, because the tribulation would be such as was never before and never again. If AD70 was the trib, then it was worse than anything to come, disallowing for future. If the future is the trib then it is worse than anything before, disallowing again.

This is what concerns me about the belief that all this has taken place. Although great tragedy took place in A.D. 70 I struggle believe it has been the worst. Maybe it has been the worst on location event for the nation of Israel to taken place on their soil, but the holocaust probably done far more devastation. You may say not per capita, but to me a million deaths is greater than a thousand no matter what the percentage of the populations.

I am not saying you're wrong, but there are two many loose ends for me to decide. Most of are posts are just one person refuting one another and little is given in explanation of what things mean. If someone does explain then someone else will give a logical valid argument to refute the others stance. It goes on and on. No one seems to be able to prove what is right, but only what is wrong. I have been praying, studying and will soon probably do some fasting over this subject also, but I would like to have a solid stance in addition to just that the Lord is going to return.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

This is what concerns me about the belief that all this has taken place. Although great tragedy took place in A.D. 70 I struggle believe it has been the worst. Maybe it has been the worst on location event for the nation of Israel to taken place on their soil, but the holocaust probably done far more devastation. You may say not per capita, but to me a million deaths is greater than a thousand no matter what the percentage of the populations.

I am not saying you're wrong, but there are two many loose ends for me to decide. Most of are posts are just one person refuting one another and little is given in explanation of what things mean. If someone does explain then someone else will give a logical valid argument to refute the others stance. It goes on and on. No one seems to be able to prove what is right, but only what is wrong. I have been praying, studying and will soon probably do some fasting over this subject also, but I would like to have a solid stance in addition to just that the Lord is going to return.

Take the population of earth in the first century and consider it again of what percentage would have been slain. Associate that with the fact that Jerusalem was God' s bride turned whore. Even though she played the whore it was still his wife.

[mfblume]

Bowas wrote:

According to best estimates, there were 97,000 prisoners and 1,100,000 who perished. He also cites a widespread slaughter by the local populations elsewhere where the Jews were disliked including Damascus 18,000 plus their families and Egypt 60,000 plus families.

Best estimate of population of the entire planet in AD100 is <200,000. So it would be equivalent to @35,000,000 Jews being killed today. That is how large a number of people was slaughtered in ad70.

Neither is acceptable, but just to put a perspective on the magnitude of that massacre back then. Not to mention why that happened to them in that generation.
To take it a step further, if we are to tally up the population of "the world" as it is described in the Bible for this region at that time where the Jews lived (see verse), the massacre in AD70 is even far more horrific.

There was an estimated 70,000,000 people in THAT world at that time, and out of that 70 million, over 1 million Jews was killed, so it would have been the equivalent of 100,000,000 (1 hundred million) Jews killed, proportionately to our 7 billion population today

2 And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that ALL THE WORLD should be taxed.

[Sean]

Hmmmm....


Estimated Number of Jews Killed
Final Solution: Table of Contents | Background & Overview | Wannsee Protocol

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Country
Pre-Final Solution Jewish Population
Jewish Population Killed in Final Solution
Percent Killed
Poland
3,300,000
3,000,000
90%
Baltic Countries
253,000
228,000
90%
Germany/Austria
240,000
210,000
88%
Protectorate
90,000
80,000
89%
Slovakia
90,000
75,000
83%
Greece
70,000
54,000
77%
The Netherlands
140,000
105,000
75%
Hungary
650,000
450,000
70%
White Russia
375,000
245,000
65%
Ukraine*
1,500,000
900,000
60%
Belgium
65,000
40,000
60%
Yugoslavia
43,000
26,000
60%
Romania
600,000
300,000
50%
Norway
1,800
900
50%
France
350,000
90,000
26%
Bulgaria
64,000
14,000
22%
Italy
40,000
8,000
20%
Luxembourg
5,000
1,000
20%
Russia *
975,000
107,000
11%
Denmark
8,000
--
--
Finland
2,000
--
--
Total
8,861,800
5,933,900
67%



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[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Hmmmm....


Estimated Number of Jews Killed
Final Solution: Table of Contents | Background & Overview | Wannsee Protocol

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Country
Pre-Final Solution Jewish Population
Jewish Population Killed in Final Solution
Percent Killed
Poland
3,300,000
3,000,000
90%
Baltic Countries
253,000
228,000
90%
Germany/Austria
240,000
210,000
88%
Protectorate
90,000
80,000
89%
Slovakia
90,000
75,000
83%
Greece
70,000
54,000
77%
The Netherlands
140,000
105,000
75%
Hungary
650,000
450,000
70%
White Russia
375,000
245,000
65%
Ukraine*
1,500,000
900,000
60%
Belgium
65,000
40,000
60%
Yugoslavia
43,000
26,000
60%
Romania
600,000
300,000
50%
Norway
1,800
900
50%
France
350,000
90,000
26%
Bulgaria
64,000
14,000
22%
Italy
40,000
8,000
20%
Luxembourg
5,000
1,000
20%
Russia *
975,000
107,000
11%
Denmark
8,000
--
--
Finland
2,000
--
--
Total
8,861,800
5,933,900
67%



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Only one problem with, (if I understand you are trying to claim AD70 was not the generation Jesus, Apostles and fortunately the Christians in Jerusalem in AD70 believed it was concerning Matt 24 and fled Jerusalem to the saving of themselves) but in the year 1940 seems there was @18,000,000 Jews world wide.
AD 70 was the worst, not due to the quantity of killed and scattered to the nations, but the magnitude of the crime/event of even why it occured.

Don't even try to make it seem I downplay the autroucities of the Hitler era, but AD 70 is what Matt 24 is prophesying

Is that what you are claiming?