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[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

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"For the remission of sins" simply means "in order that your sins might be forgiven". And who forgives sins? The context here is not even orally invoking the name by the baptizer (which he should do) but one being commanded to repent and to be baptized into the authority (name) of the one Peter had been preaching about that God made to be both Lord and Christ. Is not an incantation or word taking away people's sins. It is GOD forgiving sin of those who are obedient to the message because they yielded to the Lordship of Christ by repenting and being baptized.



Is the Name of Jesus we speak an incantation?


in·can·ta·tion noun \ˌin-ˌkan-ˈtā-shən\
: a series of words used to make something magic happen

Full Definition of INCANTATION

: a use of spells or verbal charms spoken or sung as a part of a ritual of magic; also : a written or recited formula of words designed to produce a particular effect

Yes, let's spam the board with a zillion mini-posts instead of tying our thoughts together in one post.

If you believe that invoking the name of Jesus over someone you are baptizing makes something happen (namely, washes away their sins) then you indeed have turned his name into an incantation.

[Sean]

Just dont say nuttin bro when you are a baptizn em.....dont take a chance of bein' an ENCANTER or MYSTIC like us folks...LOL

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Just dont say nuttin bro when you are a baptizn em.....dont take a chance of bein' an ENCANTER or MYSTIC like us folks...LOL

Still dodging the point and creating a false narrative. Very disappointing.

[Sean]

No brother, I am trying to get you to see how ridiculous and sacrilegious you sound.....respectfully saying.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

No brother, I am trying to get you to see how ridiculous and sacrilegious you sound.....respectfully saying.

I could understand that statement coming from a catholic priest. I could see why that would seem sacrilegious. Your reaction seems to indicate that you do indeed believe that when you pronounce the name of Jesus over those you are baptizing, that this vocalization on your part, in some mystical way, takes away their sins. i think that would more appropriately be defined as ridiculous.

[mfblume]

Some folks have their own spin on many things that no one else believes.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Some folks have their own spin on many things that no one else believes.

To be fair I'd say Sean and I are not alone in our beliefs within the Oneness Pentecostal Camp. This division just goes to show that our movement really lacks a systematic theology.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Yes, let's spam the board with a zillion mini-posts instead of tying our thoughts together in one post.

If you believe that invoking the name of Jesus over someone you are baptizing makes something happen (namely, washes away their sins) then you indeed have turned his name into an incantation.

oh, i totally believe that. call it whatever. but i also believes this provides us only a glimpse, and must be a naive understanding that the Holy Spirit and Christ's many other Titles aren't confined by. i am not qualified to judge whether someone else is lost by virtue of their baptism via titles, or unbaptism, for that matter.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

oh, i totally believe that. call it whatever. but i also believes this provides us only a glimpse, and must be a naive understanding that the Holy Spirit and Christ's many other Titles aren't confined by. i am not qualified to judge whether someone else is lost by virtue of their baptism via titles, or unbaptism, for that matter.

But is anyone "qualified to judge whether someone else is lost", OR SAVED, if someone
else outwardly rejects or denies the gospel that saves, or any portion thereof.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I could understand that statement coming from a catholic priest. I could see why that would seem sacrilegious. Your reaction seems to indicate that you do indeed believe that when you pronounce the name of Jesus over those you are baptizing, that this vocalization on your part, in some mystical way, takes away their sins. i think that would more appropriately be defined as ridiculous.

Because my brother...the Name of Jesus is SACRED, PRECIOUS, POWERFUL, SALVATION, HEALING, GLORIOUS, DEMON CASTING....etc,

How can ANYONE refer to the Name that is above every name as MAGIC or MYSTICAL and say they are walking in the Spirit? Look at this verse...
Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;


I heard a man once call the Name of Jesus "our little magical formula" in a water baptism debate(he was baptist). This sent cold chills down my spine!!!

You are essentially saying the same thing, yet you are Pentecostal. Sorry bro., calling the name of my savior "magic" or "incantation" or "mystical" or any other derogatory term is not a good position for a Christian to take.