How important is the Lord's Supper to you? - Page 4

KeptByTheWord · #31 12-03-2014, 07:05 PM

The Lord's Supper is very important. It was the last thing Jesus did with his disciples before his death, and he asked them to do it in remembrance of him. Then we see the church in Corinthians continuing to celebrate the Lord's Supper, but with Paul seeing that they needed some guidance on how to go about doing it.

votivesoul · #32 12-04-2014, 08:03 AM

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Excommunicate means literally to put someone out of communion, ie to refuse to eat with them. It lasts until the person repents. See 2Cor for example.

Also it is not just "not eating with" them, it is "not EVEN to eat with such a one". It is disfellowshipping ie shunning.

And that's the truth. And because it's the truth (i.e. put that wicked person away from you), something like ex-communication/disfellowship/shunning had better be for the right reasons only.

If there is no provable sin and yet a person is dismissed from fellowship by a personal grudge (or etc.) then the group doing the ex-communicating is in deep trouble with the Lord.

Esaias · #33 12-04-2014, 07:29 PM

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And that's the truth. And because it's the truth (i.e. put that wicked person away from you), something like ex-communication/disfellowship/shunning had better be for the right reasons only.

If there is no provable sin and yet a person is dismissed from fellowship by a personal grudge (or etc.) then the group doing the ex-communicating is in deep trouble with the Lord.

Indeed. Cases of putting people out of the church for any reason other than provable sin seems to put that church at risk of being disfellowshipped by God himself...

Aquila · #34 12-05-2014, 11:57 AM

It is my understanding that Water Baptism and the Lord's Supper are the only ordinances established for the church by Jesus Himself.

Esaias · #35 12-05-2014, 08:04 PM

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It is my understanding that Water Baptism and the Lord's Supper are the only ordinances established for the church by Jesus Himself.

I notice there is no Bible verse or passage stating that. Everything the apostles taught are the commandments of Christ.

Abiding Now · #36 12-06-2014, 09:51 AM

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It is my understanding that Water Baptism and the Lord's Supper are the only ordinances established for the church by Jesus Himself.

and let's not forget foot washing.

John 13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?

John 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

John 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

John 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

Esaias · #37 12-07-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now

and let's not forget foot washing.

John 13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?

John 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

John 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

John 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

Indeed. Too many nowadays like to forget that part.

Esaias · #38 12-10-2014, 01:45 AM

Some say only those who have the Holy Ghost should partake of the bread and wine of the Lord's Supper.

But the disciples were given communion by Jesus himself - BEFORE they had the Spirit. According to the traditional theory and rules for the Lord's Supper, as maintained by catholics, protestants, and apparently even by some here... the original disciples would not have been eligible to partake when Jesus told them to. And Jesus himself was out of line with their rules, for he gave the bread and wine to people who had not been baptised with the Spirit.

Hmmm....

thephnxman · #39 12-10-2014, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

And that's the truth. And because it's the truth (i.e. put that wicked person away from you), something like ex-communication/disfellowship/shunning had better be for the right reasons only.
If there is no provable sin and yet a person is dismissed from fellowship by a personal grudge (or etc.) then the group doing the ex-communicating is in deep trouble with the Lord.

I like the first paragraph. I would add, in the proper manner (talk to brother alone; two witnesses or three; tell the congregation).

The second is a little vague: the "...group doing the ex-communicating..."; I believe you mean the entire Church is the group, right?
I can visualize one little group in Church ex-communicating another little group;
well...you know what I mean.

Aquila · #40 12-10-2014, 08:25 AM

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I notice there is no Bible verse or passage stating that. Everything the apostles taught are the commandments of Christ.

I don't see it that way. Some things are cultural. Some things are relating to specific issues, the wisdom and principle we can glean from. Some things are indeed admonitions we do well to continue to walk in.

My statement was with regards to ordinances or "rituals". In my opinion, the only two ordinances we are to continually observe are baptism and the Lord's Supper. Anointing the sick with oil is optional and at the request of the sick or family. I see foot washing as a demonstration of service that Christ gave, not an instituted ordinance. Also, marriage isn't an ordinance we see the church performing. Instead we see the church either blessing and recognizing unions or choosing not to bless and/or recognize unions. In my mind, the church rather simple or "primitive" in structure and practice.