Love you to brother, but you dont have to apologize for me. They must apologize to our Lord before it is too late. They will die lost for teaching this doctrine, or the Apostles will have to apologize for not including this tithing doctrine into the N.T. church.
It is truly amazing how far some people will go to wrest the scriptures in an attempt to justify their ideology and or false doctrine. You cannot find one place in the New Testament where tithing is taught AGAINST, in fact it is mentioned in 7 verses of the NT and NEVER in a negative light. An argument based on silence/absence is a weak argument on either side.
It is truly amazing how far some people will go to wrest the scriptures in an attempt to justify their ideology and or false doctrine. You cannot find one place in the New Testament where tithing is taught AGAINST, in fact it is mentioned in 7 verses of the NT and NEVER in a negative light. An argument based on silence/absence is a weak argument on either side.
I, among others I'm sure, would enjoy knowing the "7 verses of the NT" you mention. Would you list them please.
It is truly amazing how far some people will go to wrest the scriptures in an attempt to justify their ideology and or false doctrine. You cannot find one place in the New Testament where tithing is taught AGAINST, in fact it is mentioned in 7 verses of the NT and NEVER in a negative light. An argument based on silence/absence is a weak argument on either side.
His position was given to him by the Lord himself, directly.
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I, among others I'm sure, would enjoy knowing the "7 verses of the NT" you mention. Would you list them please.
No Problem....here they are.
(Mat 23:23)Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightiermattersof the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
(Luk 11:42)But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
(Luk 18:12)I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
(Heb 7:5) And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
(Heb 7:6) But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
(Heb 7:8) And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
(Heb 7:9) And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
I am fairly certain that the responses will be something along the lines of....these are NOT scriptures commanding tithing in the NT......I was very clear in my comments that tithing (not a command to tithe) was mentioned 7 times in the NT with none of them being in a negative light.
The point that I am making is that those of you who believe that NT tithing is null and void do so from an argument of silence....in other words because there is no NT commandment to tithe then it simply was never done. That argument is extremely weak. In fact, that same argument can be made by the other side....since there is NO mention in the NT of an abolishment of tithing, then it could certainly still be in place.
Furthermore, IME (in my experience) most non-tithers that I have met, do so from a spirit of greed and while they won't sow financially to support the work of God, they will without hesitation sow discord to bring disunity to the body. (Sean says that God HATES those who teach tithing but can't show a single scripture to support his hypothesis......I have scripture that says God HATES those who sow discord among the brethren! Prov. 6:19)
I believe that Jesus stated that unless our righteousness EXCEED that of the of the scribes and Pharisees that we would not inherit the kingdom of God. If the scribes and Pharisees gave a tithe (a tenth) under the law, we should not have an issue with giving that and more to the kingdom. The NT standard for giving is he that sows sparingly reaps sparingly and he that sows bountifully reaps bountifully....again IME most non-tithers sow sparingly and use the lack of scriptural mandate in the NT to justify their lack of giving. It becomes their justification to giving a dollar when they could give much more and then they often want to be the loudest voice heard about how things should be done when they give the least support.....not out of necessity but out of disunity and greed.
If you have to give tithe out of fear, you might as well keep it anyway.....give it cheerfully and give as much as you can and God will bless you. As one ole Bro. Roshon from Cincinnati use to say....."give according to your income, lest God make your income according to your giving."
(Mat 23:23)Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Bishop...
Are you a scribe or pharisee under the Law?.....If you are a pastor, dont you even realize that Jesus was rebuking the PHARISEES(RABBIS) that were still under the law?
The passage CLEARLY tells us that tithing is of the LAW.
(Luk 11:42)But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Was this written to you? Are you a pharisee, under the Law?
It is truly amazing how far some people will go to wrest the scriptures in an attempt to justify their ideology and or false doctrine. You cannot find one place in the New Testament where tithing is taught AGAINST, in fact it is mentioned in 7 verses of the NT and NEVER in a negative light. An argument based on silence/absence is a weak argument on either side.
Agreed. It us amazing how some wrest the scriptures to set aside everything in the Law and yet keep tithing, albeit while ignoring EVERY SINGLE Old Testament command and instruction about what to do with the tithe.
You can't find one place in the New Testament where peace offerings are taught AGAINST. What's your point?
Yes tithing is mentioned 7 times in the NT, you say never in a negative light. That is arguable. I'm not so sure the parable of the self righteous pharisee is "positive". However positive/negative doesn't really matter, what does is tithing is always mentioned in relation to the Old Covenant. Never is it mentioned to New Covenant believers, nor are we given any instructions on how to collect tithes without a Temple, Levitical priesthood, or when the tithe changed to "money, money, money....moneyyyy".
Furthermore not only does the NT know nothing of tithing but neither does early church history. In fact you've got to get 250 years past Nicea before you even see the issue come up at the Council of Tours which wasn't even an ecumenical council.
Tithing in the New covenant has no precedent in scripture no early church history.
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(Luk 11:42)But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Are you a Pharisee, and under the Law? This was spoken to Pharisees under the Law.
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