Deep Apostolic Teachers?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Romans 14 is about false teachers? I'm pretty sure its about Christian liberty. But the point I was making is that the people your are damning to hell and cursing with death are Christians and thus while you are within your right to warn them of perceived error, you are usurping Gods place by judging them with death and hell. Its very concerning to me you believe God has spoken this to you.

Read it again, its NOT about false teachers bro.

Brother, also, I have seen the wrath of God on backsliders, heretics and sinners that had the word spoken to them before their demise, from so-called, "ordinary" saints. Any one walking in the Spirit is subject to the word of prophecy(giving or receiving), from time to time. Actually, very few prophecies that I have heard or gave were "peaches and cream". Some given to me were encouraging(and came to pass, word for word), but some were "negative" and the Lord expected me to repent or else. I just have enough sense to acknowledge my problems(when revealed by the Holy Ghost) and repent when the word comes my way.

Listen to Paul regarding the "CHRISTIAN, BORN AGAIN" Judaizers that tried to impose false doctrine on the church...

Gal 1:... but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Can that be applied today?

Here Paul calls them "witches"....3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth...

Can this be applied today?

Now Paul wishes they were dead, banished or BOTH....12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

Can this be applied today?



Jason, I believe Paul would have no problem "attacking" the heretics of Christianity the same way today!

Well, Paul is DEAD!....Somebody new must carry the torch of setting the heretics straight from time to time. Are you willing to do it?...Did Paul rely on the Lord to do it, or did he do it himself?

The Lord Jesus will take over AFTER WE do our part and speak in the stead of the Apostles. If we can do no more, then our Lord will get out the belt.

These debates are being watched very carefully by our Lord and HE will judge. If I get "cornered" on a doctrine, and I stick to my same beliefs by my pride, then the Lord will get out the belt. If I still continue to teach it to others, knowing it is heresy, I am DEAD MEAT.

Grace does not cover heresy. Heresy is a LIE. The instruction of the apostle Paul is.... Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

Our Lies(false doctrines) to each other MUST be exposed. If WE dont do it, the LORD will do it and that would be disastrous.

[Esaias]

Heresies are combatted the same way Paul did - by preaching and teaching the truth. And when an assembly knows the truth they will banish heretics.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Heresies are combatted the same way Paul did - by preaching and teaching the truth. And when an assembly knows the truth they will banish heretics.

Brother, the problem is in these last days, the heretics have congregated in the thousands and have BANNED the truth teachers.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, the problem is in these last days, the heretics have congregated in the thousands and have BANNED the truth teachers.

Well yes that's always been a problem. John wrote about it in his epistles too.

But the Lord knows His own.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Amen. What I found interesting in my study of Quakerism is how Quakers value not only the notion that God speaks personally to each individual... but how each individual and each body does its best not to impose its convictions on other bodies and individuals. If Apostolics could grasp this concept, it would easy tensions while also honoring God given convictions.

The convictions one may hold must be things not specified by Christ or mentioned by his apostles.

[Steve Epley]

I am reminded of an interpetation of tongues I heard in the hills when I was a boy "yea I say this is he who words are written in red."

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, your words are well taken here.

I will tone it down, but I needed to let folks see that there is NO DEBATE regarding the tithing issue. It is a completely man made philosophy that has kept folks out of the kingdom of God and has greatly hindered those that are trying to be saved. Thats the bottom line.

I realize they will never change, but I want the next generation to see these guys miserably fail to make their case and give them the tools to abandon this heresy.

If we can leave anything to our children, the most important thing is truth.

Pay your tithes you cheap skate.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

I know this is a big joke to all of you tithe teachers, but the reality is....when you die, you will go to hell. The Lord does not give folks the holy Ghost to vindicate their beliefs, but to lead them out of false doctrine. If you dont see it now, the Lord will not allow you into heaven for teaching your heresy.

I don't think the discussion on tithes is a big joke, Bother Badejo shared information with me on this subject years ago. It took a while to get the CDs but he sent me a whole collection on the subject. No, what I think is a joke is your silliness, and your self importance that usually comes upon individuals who cut themselves off by thinking they are the only ones who "really" hear from God. Everyone else is a bad machine and they are God's appointed mechanic who is sent to right all the wrongs.

Originally Posted by Sean

I have noticed that there is NO rebuttal on your part, just scoffing.

Correct, hey, Elijah mocked prophets of Baal. Jesus said the well need not a physician. Jesus also said they were blind leaders of the blind, meaning only the ones who didn't have Jesus as their pastor would end up blind to the foolishness spewed by those "false" teachers. Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and another they will not follow. End of story. Some people need to be the leaf on the river, going with the flow, instead of trying to be the river and drowning all the leaves.

Originally Posted by Sean

That is a sign of your false doctrine being acknowledged by yourselves.

So, Elijah was a false prophet because he mocked the prophets of Baal?

Jesus was a false prophet because what He said to the Pharisees in Matthew 23?

Sean, if you are hearing voices you best make sure they line up with what is going on in the scripture.

Originally Posted by Sean

You know that tithing is false doctrine and you just dont care.

Sean, YOU don't care.

Originally Posted by Sean

This is not about me....

No, no, it is all about YOU.

YOU built others churches for "FREE" remember?

You caught this burr under your saddle a long time ago.

Originally Posted by Sean

this is going to cost you eternity without God.

And you don't care.

Originally Posted by Sean

You guys have done business with Satan all of your Christian lives and whenever you die, you will follow him to a place of torment.

Whenever we die?

I guess you pray it's soon? In that way you can be justified and pleased that you are truly a man of God. Sean, if I go to hell I'll make sure I save you a seat.

Originally Posted by Sean

There is no place for heretical teachers in heaven.
You better fix it while you are on earth.

Physician heal thyself.

[phareztamar]

Wow Sean. Been reading some of your bizzare rants against tithing. You certainly don't lack passion for your position.

I've always given a tithe on my earnings. While it was an Old Testament principle that God invented, it seemed to be a good principle in the new also. Nobody ever forced, coerced, or threatened hell fire if I didn't offer tithes. It just seemed to me an excellent principle for financing the work of the ministry. I always felt honored to give my tithe, and gave it reverently, as unto the Lord. And I always trembled for the man of God, that he was now accountable for the use of those funds, in the work of the kingdom.

Besides the tithe, I have also had the privilage of giving to several building funds, Sunday Schools, and missions programs. None of them by force, but freely and most reverently. What a great God I serve...that he would allow me in some small way, to contribute to his mighty work.

To now learn that I'm gonna split hell wide open...and that eradicating such worship has become my Lord's top priority, is a little unsettling. Are you sure you didn't have a wrong number, when my Lord talked to you about this?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The convictions one may hold must be things not specified by Christ or mentioned by his apostles.

Yes, that's true. However, it could also differ somewhat from what Christ and the Apostles addressed. For example, I have a deep spiritual conviction against slavery. However, in the first century Jesus and Paul both didn't condemn slavery, but rather brought a Christian ethic to it's practice steering the subjugation of slavery to equality.

Also, in the Apostle's day many mental illnesses and birth defects were often viewed as being a result of demonic affliction. While I don't doubt that some were, today we know that many of these things are related to hormones, genetics, and trauma prior to birth. So our convictions regarding these things have changed somewhat.