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Re: Social drinking?
Deu 5:1 And Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, "Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them.
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08-27-2014, 10:20 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Wild yeasts can produce high-quality, unique-flavored wines; however, they are often unpredictable and may introduce less desirable traits to the wine, and can even contribute to spoilage. It should be noted that few yeast, and lactic and acetic acid bacterial colonies naturally live on the surface of grapes
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That being said it would seem that they couldn't wash the grapes?
Of course there was alcoholic wine in the Bible, just struggling seeing were Jesus ever advocated it.
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Why would they wash them when they wanted them to ferment?
Jesus did not have to advocate it. What you are all missing is Wine to them was like Pepsi to us. They had only either water, wine or milk.
Milk spoiled fast. Water made you sick. Wine was a long LONG part of the Jewish culture
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08-27-2014, 10:23 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
. It was received in pails and kept in leather bottles (Jgs. 4:19), where it turned sour quickly in the warm climate of Palestine before being poured out thickly like a melting substance (cf. Job 10:10). Cheese of various kinds was made from it; or the curds were eaten with bread, and possibly also made into butter by churning ( Prov. 30:33)
Harrison, R. K. (1979–1988). Milk. In G. W. Bromiley (Ed.), . Vol. 3: The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised (G. W. Bromiley, Ed.) (355). Wm. B. Eerdmans.
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08-27-2014, 10:28 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
I am reading stuff quickly and some agree with what you are saying and some disagree. It would seem that there is no way for their not to be controversy because historical commentators seem to say different things. I will read more and posts later. Thanks for your info.
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08-27-2014, 10:40 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
No I don't see where the quotes I posted disagree with me. The common word used for "Wine" means fermented drink.
There are OTHER words used for unfermented juice..grape juice
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08-27-2014, 10:46 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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No I don't see where the quotes I posted disagree with me. The common word used for "Wine" means fermented drink.
There are OTHER words used for unfermented juice..grape juice
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How is this hard to understand?
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08-27-2014, 10:49 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
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Still waiting for the evidence the word Wine can mean grape juice
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You will be waiting a good long time.
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08-27-2014, 10:52 PM
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Re: Social drinking?
The biggest deal is that grapes are only harvest for 2 months out of the year. So there was no grape juice for 10 months! They stored it in bottles to ferment
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Re: Social drinking?
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How is this hard to understand?
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So what is your thoughts on Christians drinking?
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Re: Social drinking?
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So what is your thoughts on Christians drinking?
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I don't and I don't suggest anyone else because of what you are seeing in this thread. People can't wrap their minds around the subject, and it always turns out that the Christian who would drink a glass of wine with their food would be ostracized by sinner or saint. Yet, those who hold a prohibition against alcoholic beverages will drink other fermented drinks or foods, and never make the connection to alcohol because the content in their food or drink is so low. Prax brought up NyQuil, well not too many people I know would drink that, but I know people who abstain from wine but will drink Kombucha which is fermented sweet tea. I abstain because I think it's a really bad idea to drink alcohol.
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