The Bible does have many historical proven facts, but I am sure many could ague them if they want to. That is why we refer to religion as a faith. Atheism is also a religion in my opinion. It requires faith also that there isn't a God and this world was created by chance. It must be sad to believe that once you die there is nothing else. I would hate to think that you are just like every other dog, cat, horse, etc. that will decompose and return back to the ground and that's all there is. If there is no God we can never again be reunited again to our love ones who have passed on.
To me it is harder to believe that there is no God. Paul didn't have a Bible to convince the people of Jesus Christ. Many pagans probably didn't even believe or understand OT prophesies to trust in Jesus. There were some miracles done, some believed some didn't. It hasn't changed to much today. If I am wrong and there isn't a God(witch I'm not) then I haven't lost anything, because, I enjoy my Christian life. If I'm right(witch I am) then I will enjoy an eternity with my Lord and Savior and all my loved ones. It is a win win for me and I feel confirmation in so many ways: through the Holy Ghost, through his word, and through the world around me.
I am sorry if the reason of your unbelief is because of relationships with other men. So many people give up on God, because of personal experience with their religious peers. I implore every one to give seeking God another chance and see what will happen. You don't even have to go to a church, but right in the privacy of your own home you can pray and ask him to speak to you and see where it leads to.
Except that neither I nor (I'm pretty sure) Marc believe they actually exist. But you have missed the point: what is our reason for being kind to others? Is it to avoid an angel's wrath (just in case) or is it to actually help other real humans because they need help?
Some writers of the Bible seem to be empathy-challenged, and seem to believe everyone else is, too.
For what it's worth, we do not know what the orig language really even said; we get a translation, prolly of a translation, at least.
So we have seen that the geography and the biography of the Bible are actually based on real facts. why should we not believe that the actual history of the Bible should be not factual?
The movie "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" has an actual historical character in it. Therefore, President Lincoln must have hunted vampires. I guess?
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Actually all the evidence actually points to the history of the Bible being quite accurate.
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I'm not aware of evidence for the supernatural events depicted in the Bible.
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The Bible does have many historical proven facts, but I am sure many could ague them if they want to. That is why we refer to religion as a faith. Atheism is also a religion in my opinion. It requires faith also that there isn't a God and this world was created by chance. It must be sad to believe that once you die there is nothing else. I would hate to think that you are just like every other dog, cat, horse, etc. that will decompose and return back to the ground and that's all there is. If there is no God we can never again be reunited again to our love ones who have passed on.
To me it is harder to believe that there is no God. Paul didn't have a Bible to convince the people of Jesus Christ. Many pagans probably didn't even believe or understand OT prophesies to trust in Jesus. There were some miracles done, some believed some didn't. It hasn't changed to much today. If I am wrong and there isn't a God(witch I'm not) then I haven't lost anything, because, I enjoy my Christian life. If I'm right(witch I am) then I will enjoy an eternity with my Lord and Savior and all my loved ones. It is a win win for me and I feel confirmation in so many ways: through the Holy Ghost, through his word, and through the world around me.
I am sorry if the reason of your unbelief is because of relationships with other men. So many people give up on God, because of personal experience with their religious peers. I implore every one to give seeking God another chance and see what will happen. You don't even have to go to a church, but right in the privacy of your own home you can pray and ask him to speak to you and see where it leads to.
Does it help your argument to say things like "If I'm wrong (which I'm not)..."? Do you think we don't know that you think you're right?
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Here is something that nobody should disagree with, but they will:
If you are going to believe supernatural claims, you have no way of knowing which supernatural claims to believe. None. It's not possible. All you can do is choose from among all the claims.
Note that I don't have to claim that there are no true supernatural claims in order for that statement to be true. There very well could be some true claims. But again, it is just that we have no way of knowing which ones are true.
Oh, you disagree? Cool. Fill us in on your secret: how can you tell if a particular supernatural claim is true?
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Here is something that nobody should disagree with, but they will:
If you are going to believe supernatural claims, you have no way of knowing which supernatural claims to believe. None. It's not possible. All you can do is choose from among all the claims.
Note that I don't have to claim that there are no true supernatural claims in order for that statement to be true. There very well could be some true claims. But again, it is just that we have no way of knowing which ones are true.
Oh, you disagree? Cool. Fill us in on your secret: how can you tell if a particular supernatural claim is true?
Most of the writings in the Bible do not consist of supernatural claims.
Let us look first at these parts and see if the Bible is reliable as to its non-supernatural claims.
OK let us just focus on a small part.
The Bible says that Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldeans.
What does Archeology says. Well we do have a ruins that they call Ur of the Chaldeans.
If we placed a modern shepherd with his flocks in Ur of the Chaldeans he could still follow the same route as Abraham.
Abraham went down to Egypt, well lo and behold, you can actually take trips to Egypt, where the Egyptians will be glad to relieve you of American dollars.
Abraham had flocks of sheep and other animals. Well what do you know there are plenty of records of shepherds in that region for over thousands of years, as a matter of fact a person now days can still find them in the desert areas.
Abraham lived in a tent, well what do you know Shepherds do still like to live in tents.
Almost everything that the Bible says that Abraham did, could be still done today by a shepherd person from the desert.
Except for visiting Pharaoh in Egypt.
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I don't say that to convince you , but I don't like to say statements of doubt. Like: "if I'm wrong."
Too scary to admit you could be wrong? Yes, that makes sense. If you are right about some things (hell, e.g.) and wrong about others (how to avoid hell, e.g.), well, let's just not think about that.
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Most of the writings in the Bible do not consist of supernatural claims.
Let us look first at these parts and see if the Bible is reliable as to its non-supernatural claims.
OK let us just focus on a small part.
The Bible says that Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldeans.
What does Archeology says. Well we do have a ruins that they call Ur of the Chaldeans.
If we placed a modern shepherd with his flocks in Ur of the Chaldeans he could still follow the same route as Abraham.
Abraham went down to Egypt, well lo and behold, you can actually take trips to Egypt, where the Egyptians will be glad to relieve you of American dollars.
Abraham had flocks of sheep and other animals. Well what do you know there are plenty of records of shepherds in that region for over thousands of years, as a matter of fact a person now days can still find them in the desert areas.
Abraham lived in a tent, well what do you know Shepherds do still like to live in tents.
Almost everything that the Bible says that Abraham did, could be still done today by a shepherd person from the desert.
Except for visiting Pharaoh in Egypt.
I'm not talking about those things. And there are zillions of supernatural claims in the Bible.
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I'm not talking about those things. And there are zillions of supernatural claims in the Bible.
Why not talk about the things that are factual?
That anyone can actually see, feel and touch, why should those parts be excluded?
Why exclude talk about physical items that the Bible speaks about.
Tents, altars, knives, sheep, goats
Why exclude talk about ancient customs that the Bible speaks about.
Killing a husband for his wife, killing animals for sacrifice, buying burial fields by an elaborated commercial transaction.
Why exclude talk about actual historical events that the Bible speaks about.
The invasions of Egypt, the Persian empire, The Roman empire.
You want to exclude talk about those things, because you know full well that they can actually be verified by anyone in the world and you want to avoid that. (anyone with enough money can travel throughout the middle east and confirm all the tangible things that the Bible speaks about)
But you see if a book is reliable in material and historical things that can be verified, then it is more obvious that it might be true in those things which are harder to verify.
Are there really zillions of supernatural claims in the Bible? I think you are avoiding the natural claims of the Bible for they make it more likely that the supernatural claims of the Bible are actually true.
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