Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/14

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Got anything else you want to throw my way?

You finished?

Are you?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Maybe you would be on the better part of valor if you stick with the perhaps. Still the brother may know something we do not. So, time proves all things, does it not?

The only thing Epley worried about is SP leaving the precious fold. Many have seen the theological errors of OPism and the cult like environment. If he leave traditional OPism it doesn't mean he's leaving Christ. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm not saying this is the case, but if you were in a church and the pastor changed the teaching in such a way you couldn't agree with him. Wouldn't you move on with your family?

Yes

However if he had scriptural reasons for the change I would have to consider the validity of those before leaving. in SPs case I haven't seen anything except recently except a move toward the teaching of scripture. But he does need to drop that dominion over finances and making a covenant with your pastor over tithes, that's straight nonsense. (The Lords Prayer and Financial Dominion).

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm not saying this is the case, but if you were in a church and the pastor changed the teaching in such a way you couldn't agree with him. Wouldn't you move on with your family?

I would pray about the teaching but even if I left, I would still wishing him the best.

You and me dear brother may disagree in some doctrines, But I still hope the Lord bless you abundantly and give you the godly desires of your heart.
I hope the Lord showers you with heavenly blessings and his peace.
I hope the Lord open the way for you to get more abundant blessings.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

The only thing Epley worried about is SP leaving the precious fold. Many have seen the theological errors of OPism and the cult like environment. If he leave traditional OPism it doesn't mean he's leaving Christ. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Yet, I see what you are saying, while I'm die hard OP, I can see where you are coming from as anti-OP. Still you must understand where the elder is coming from in his perspective. While you may not agree you can still see where he is coming from. Another thing we don't know what the elder knows and still must allow time to prove all things.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

The only thing Epley worried about is SP leaving the precious fold. Many have seen the theological errors of OPism and the cult like environment. If he leave traditional OPism it doesn't mean he's leaving Christ. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Perhaps Epley genuinely cares about the change of teachings of SP from a good motivation.

I may disagree with Epley, but I am not going to accuse Epley of having the wrong motivations.

I pray the Bro Epley would be blessed greatly by God and hope that perhaps one day he will be a little kinder in his words with those of us who disagree with him.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Yes

However if he had scriptural reasons for the change I would have to consider the validity of those before leaving. in SPs case I haven't seen anything except recently except a move toward the teaching of scripture. But he does need to drop that dominion over finances and making a covenant with your pastor over tithes, that's straight nonsense. (The Lords Prayer and Financial Dominion).

Your first answer was "yes" and therefore if there was a doctrinal change you didn't agree with you would leave. That was my original questions. Hence the elder is posting about people who haven't changed, and haven't agree with the changes being made. In this case it is the pastor who changed, and not the group who is leaving. They never changed, don't want to change along with the preacher. So if they leave that is cool? Right?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Perhaps Epley genuinely cares about the change of teachings of SP from a good motivation.

I may disagree with Epley, but I am not going to accuse Epley of having the wrong motivations.

I pray the Bro Epley would be blessed greatly by God and hope that perhaps one day he will be a little kinder in his words with those of us who disagree with him.

But wait a minute, is Elder Epley wrong in his words? If those who never wanted to change but have been in that church for years, loving that church, loving the people, loving the pastor, to all of a sudden get hit with a revelation just dropped in their laps from the pastor? How about them? They didn't change, they still believe the way they always believed. So, since their name isn't on the mortgage, deed, or lease, and they have no power over what is being preached, what are they to do? No, maybe it would be better to back away from the chess board to get a broader view of all the pieces before judging the elder's words. Like I keep posting, time proves all things, so keep this all in prayer.

Oh and while we are posting to each other have some bacon and eggs cooked in butter in the morning!

[UnTraditional]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have known SP I feel for his Dad and the precious saints who have built that church. I won't go into details but knowing CC1 I can promise you there is more than meets the eye. They are having a backdoor revival as folks exit. As far as his style he has done his share of 'screaming' through the years. I hope every last good saint leaves that place before morning.

I have been ostracized as well by those who hold to the us-4-and-no-more mentality. Unless my Apostolic matches their Apostolic, I am a backslidden condemned heretic. Not everything is as cut-and-dry as people think. Just because someone uses modern music, lights, and has a lowered dress code does not mean they are backslidden or leaving the truth. I really wish those who judge so harshly would not do so.

And finally Elder, your last comment is really something, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you and your stance in Apostolic truth, but that last comment was really uncalled for. Instead, how about asking God to open all of our eyes to see things from His perspective, and getting to know all the details before we judge?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Are you alleging immorality?

You are one sick puppy.

No I am not. There are things besides immorality CC1 would not approve of.