Question?

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by ILG

And obeying long hair on women, and skirts, and no jewelry and no beards on men.

Because see, people don't do those things to GET saved, they do them BECAUSE they are saved. But if they don't do them, they are lost. So, I guess they keep doing them to keep saved. Because all bobbed hair women are going to the lake of fire. Circular logic. Round and round.

In another thread ILG said

Originally Posted by ILG

I cut myself off from abuse from any group or person if it gets too bad. (I have a fault in that I sometimes let it go on too long before I remove myself.)

So what about those people that you abuse and belittle....over and over and over and over...

You are not helping anyone nor are you trying to. You aren't persuading anyone either. You are just being intentionally obnoxious to people who still believe truth because you hate them for standing for what you wont.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

In another thread ILG said

So what about those people that you abuse and belittle....over and over and over and over...

You are not helping anyone nor are you trying to. You aren't persuading anyone either. You are just being intentionally obnoxious to people who still believe truth because you hate them for standing for what you wont.

Having an opinion and stating it is not the same thing as abuse. But here, in this quote you accuse me of not trying to help anyone and being intentionally obnoxious and hating people. None of which is true. So, I will remove myself from that. That is abusive.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

shaz - you really are all over the board. As you say, a post is sometimes hard to understand.
However, many times when I read your posts, I wonder if you believe that it was necessary for Jesus to be crucified and rise from the dead for us to be saved.
Can you address this?

yes, i definitely believe that that was necessary. but i have seen that we have been given a distorted image of how to accept that as a functional, daily reality, applicable to ones 'walk.' It took 20 years for me to see that i was surrounded by believers, frozen in place--well, except for some of the quite older believers, who i noticed seemed to be the least accusing of others.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by ILG

Having an opinion and stating it is not the same thing as abuse. But here, in this quote you accuse me of not trying to help anyone and being intentionally obnoxious and hating people. None of which is true. So, I will remove myself from that. That is abusive.

If this was the only one of your posts that I had read then I would agree with you. The truth is evident though when reading just a small portion of your posts.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

If this was the only one of your posts that I had read then I would agree with you. The truth is evident though when reading just a small portion of your posts.

I do say things like "I believe the OP groups to be legalistic in nature" and stuff like that. But I don't think I have ever outright accused someone to their face of being a legalistic obnoxious hater.

[kclee4jc]

ok

[AR Pastor]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Amen. Carlton Pearson's doctrine. Not one person from Pentecost until the church leaves is saved withou obeying Acts 2:38.

AMEN to that Brother

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Prax, it won't matter, they won't see.

Nothing like having eyes but not seeing, having ears and not hearing.

good point. if the model you are using right now works for you, i wouldn't dream of trying to change your mind. i will say that i spent 20 years applying that verse to others, before i realized that i was to apply it to myself. Only. If you put this label on anyone else, then you are just an accuser, are you not?

If you reflect on the Eskimo/Priest scenario, see that the priest was not demonstrating a better way to the Eskimo, thus drawing him (and i mean, like a magnet--people should be coming to you for more, not the other way around) to himself; he was telling him what he should do, no 'service' involved. And we wonder why missionaries get killed. It is because they dealt people death. (and yes, evil people may want you dead simply because you have life, and demonstrate it unfailingly, thus making them feel inadequate--different scenario)

i can't say that i was 'blind' as a Pentecostal--i was a new Christian; so of course i was blind. Now i see. Grasp why Christ said, "You pore over the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, yet they testify about Me."

[ILG]

Originally Posted by shazeep

good point. if the model you are using right now works for you, i wouldn't dream of trying to change your mind. i will say that i spent 20 years applying that verse to others, before i realized that i was to apply it to myself. Only. If you put this label on anyone else, then you are just an accuser, are you not?

Right. Only in applying this to myself did I begin to see.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by ILG

That is fair enough too. The only bone I have to pick is veering from the path of salvation by grace through faith. Once you start putting little conditions on it it produces a fear based religion.

[I]This[/] is ILG being bitter and evil, or whatever? ok