That's really the issue though isn't it? That's what I said before. You are assuming your biblical view is correct and ours is not and is therefore not up for debate.
You see Jesus commanded the Apostles to go out and baptize "in the name". We can wrangle over the meaning of the rest of that if you want but when Peter preached on Pentecost he said literally "Repent and get yourself baptized (Passive) in the name of Jesus"..
He was not to baptize Himself. He was to allow someone to baptize him "In Jesus name". So the biblical command was for the baptizer to do something and the baptizee to allow or submit to it.
I'll post something I wrote about why we say the name in the next post
That's all fine, but people are telling others they are not saved unless they do it THIS way. The problem with that is I was saved before I did it that way and, having no biblical knowledge I believed this. It didn't seem like a big deal to be rebaptized. What was the harm in doing it, I thought? Only years later, did I understand that it put me in the position of doubting my salvation and putting me in the position of constantly doubting my salvation and asking if there was anything else I missed that God might throw me into hell for. Thus began a fear-based walk.
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So then you can see that the REAL issue is not accusing others of legalism but determining what the bible says.
That is why there are so many different denominations calling themselves Christian. But I would never say that people in OP denominations are all going to hell based on a technicality.
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Fair enough. I believe opposite. May the Lord reveal the truth as He sees fit.
That is fair enough too. The only bone I have to pick is veering from the path of salvation by grace through faith. Once you start putting little conditions on it it produces a fear based religion.
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Really, all one need do is carry your assertions to their conclusion to see that what has been given you is a vengeful, spiteful, petty, known God; not the Master of the Universe. Not Love. Pray tell, what happens to those who have--gasp--had, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit proclaimed over their water baptism, in your--pardon me--twisted model?
dude, unless you believe everyone everywhere is saved regardless of their belief system, then you are no different from OPs with the exception that you have moved the line to some other place.
if you say that christians who have been baptized in the titles are saved, but people who practice Shintoism arent, then you are exactly the same as those you accuse. Your line has just shifted a bit.
It is the bible, not me that says "If the Gospel is hid, it is hid to those who are lost"
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dude, unless you believe everyone everywhere is saved regardless of their belief system, then you are no different from OPs with the exception that you have moved the line to some other place.
if you say that christians who have been baptized in the titles are saved, but people who practice Shintoism arent, then you are exactly the same as those you accuse. Your line has just shifted a bit.
It is the bible, not me that says "If the Gospel is hid, it is hid to those who are lost"
Amen. Carlton Pearson's doctrine. Not one person from Pentecost until the church leaves is saved withou obeying Acts 2:38.
Amen. Carlton Pearson's doctrine. Not one person from Pentecost until the church leaves is saved withou obeying Acts 2:38.
And obeying long hair on women, and skirts, and no jewelry and no beards on men.
Because see, people don't do those things to GET saved, they do them BECAUSE they are saved. But if they don't do them, they are lost. So, I guess they keep doing them to keep saved. Because all bobbed hair women are going to the lake of fire. Circular logic. Round and round.
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