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ILG · #91 06-20-2014, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

No. Jesus saved me 9 months before I attended a UPC.

I was saved before I attended a UPC too, but the pastor convinced me that I wasn't because I hadn't been baptized with someone saying the name over me! (Even though I said the name and believed it myself and the preacher said I baptize you in the NAME of the Father and of the son and of the Holy Ghost, which is Jesus, right??!!) he said I was still lost. Looking back, that really messed with my head.

AR Pastor · #92 06-20-2014, 06:01 PM

Anyone not baptized in Jesus name is lost.

There is no other saving message than Acts 2:38

Michael The Disciple · #93 06-20-2014, 06:11 PM

And the tragic thing is that seems to be the ONLY truth the modern Oneness Pentecostals have.

ILG · #94 06-20-2014, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AR Pastor

Anyone not baptized in Jesus name is lost.

There is no other saving message than Acts 2:38

Yeah and to you and a few other people that means that the preacher has to say the name over you. It doesn't matter what you believe or if you say the name YOURSELF (which I did) or if the preacher says I baptize in the NAME of the FS and HS. No, it has to be EXACTLY as you say it does, and that is with the preacher stating the name or you are going to be lost and go to hell on that technicality. Oh, and don't forget to shave.

mfblume · #95 06-20-2014, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Yeah and to you and a few other people that means that the preacher has to say the name over you. It doesn't matter what you believe or if you say the name YOURSELF (which I did) or if the preacher says I baptize in the NAME of the FS and HS. No, it has to be EXACTLY as you say it does, and that is with the preacher stating the name or you are going to be lost and go to hell on that technicality. Oh, and don't forget to shave.

I had the "technicality" issue raised to me after I taught baptism in Jesus' name, but in a VERY different manner. One couple came to me and said they did not want to miss out due to a technicality of the name, so they wanted to be baptized in Jesus' name! Whew, that was a pleasant rephrasing of the same thought! To the, it was silly to fail to deal with something that might be a technicality rather than look at a technicality as something to disregard. "If that's all I have to do, then let's do it!" was their attitude.

Why is the proclivity to get away with all people can? Why not try to go the fiftieth mile and find all that we can to please the Lord?

ILG · #96 06-20-2014, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I had the "technicality" issue raised to me after I taught baptism in Jesus' name, but in a VERY different manner. One couple came to me and said they did not want to miss out due to a technicality of the name, so they wanted to be baptized in Jesus' name! Whew, that was a pleasant rephrasing of the same thought! To the, it was silly to fail to deal with something that might be a technicality rather than look at a technicality as something to disregard. "If that's all I have to do, then let's do it!" was their attitude.

Why is the proclivity to get away with all people can? Why not try to go the fiftieth mile and find all that we can to please the Lord?

Here is the reason, MFBlume. I knew in my heart I was saved and my pastor convinced me I was not based on this technicality. This began a long slow process of not having assurance but "what iffing" everything. This produced a leaven of fear in me that didn't end until I understood I was saved by grace and nothing else. What if Jesus will kick you out because the preacher didn't say His name? What if you are not clean shaven?? What if you wear pants? and on and on and on it went. It placed in me a terrible fear....placed by man, not by God.

mfblume · #97 06-20-2014, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Here is the reason, MFBlume. I knew in my heart I was saved and my pastor convinced me I was not based on this technicality. This began a long slow process of not having assurance but "what iffing" everything. This produced a leaven of fear in me that didn't end until I understood I was saved by grace and nothing else. What if Jesus will kick you out because the preacher didn't say His name? What if you are not clean shaven?? What if you wear pants? and on and on and on it went. It placed in me a terrible fear....placed by man, not by God.

The doubts that a preacher might put in you does not change the reality of the picture where the cup is half full not half empty.

ILG · #98 06-20-2014, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

The doubts that a preacher might put in you does not change the reality of the picture where the cup is half full not half empty.

That's your opinion. And I have mine.

The thing is that some preaching has a negative backside....one I didn't see for many, many years. I don't think it is wrong at all to be rebaptized if one is doing it in faith believing that that is a better way.....but to tell someone you are not saved and will go to hell if you do not do this is quite another.

navygoat1998 · #99 06-20-2014, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AR Pastor

Anyone not baptized in Jesus name is lost.

There is no other saving message than Acts 2:38

Praxeas · #**100** 06-20-2014, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

No, I see my hate, the hate for false ideas that lead to depression, anxiety, and the pursuit of a lie.

"A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."

Sounds like you just justified yourself.

Of course those you accuse of hate can cop out to the same excuse. Both sides seem to have issues