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Originally Posted by Felicity
Peter did not preach "tongues" on the Day of Pentecost.
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No, he preached to them the clarification of their of misunderstanding of evidence and preached to them why they needed to partake in such an outpouring.
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05-29-2007, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Simon saw something that led him believe the Samaritans received the Holy Spirit. There was some visible sign.
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Philip preached:
5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
What makes you think what Philip preached was any different than what Peter preached on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2? |
He saw miracles and wonders ... and the power of God ... nothing audible ... no sounds .... as in Acts 2
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05-29-2007, 01:07 AM
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He saw miracles and wonders ... and the power of God ... nothing audible ... no sounds .... as in Acts 2 |
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
This verse doesn't say anything about miracles and wonders. The apostles laid hands of the Samaritan believers and they received the Holy Ghost. The question is how did Simon know or what did he see to lead him to believe the Samaritans had received the Holy Ghost?
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05-29-2007, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Peter did not preach "tongues" on the Day of Pentecost.
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I didn't say Peter preached 'tongues' on the day of Pentecost but he did explain what was happening to the disciples whom some in the crowd thought were drunk. " This is that.." Peter did say this....the disciples speaking in tongues...was that...the prophecy of Joel about the outpouring of God's Spirit in the last days. Peter did preach that tongues was the sign of receiving the Spirit.
My point though in regards to Acts 8 is that Philip preached the same message that Peter preached and that would include recieving the Spirit with the evidence of tongues.
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05-29-2007, 01:13 AM
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No, he preached to them the clarification of their of misunderstanding of evidence and preached to them why they needed to partake in such an outpouring.
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Right. I'm all for what Peter preached! 
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05-29-2007, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
I didn't say Peter preached 'tongues' on the day of Pentecost but he did explain what was happening to the disciples whom some in the crowd thought were drunk. " This is that.." Peter did say this....the disciples speaking in tongues...was that...the prophecy of Joel about the outpouring of God's Spirit in the last days. Peter did preach that tongues was the sign of receiving the Spirit.
My point though in regards to Acts 8 is that Philip preached the same message that Peter preached and that would include recieving the Spirit with the evidence of tongues. |
Mizpeh ...... quickly here.....
I don't see where Joel's prophecy had to do with or referenced 'salvation' -- certainly can't get that from the context and it's not mentioned at all in the prophecy he gave there.
Joel 2:28-29: And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
It's interesting too that the Spirit would be poured out on "servants" and "handmaids". In other words these people were already followers of Christ i.e. believers.
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05-29-2007, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Mizpeh ...... quickly here.....
I don't see where Joel's prophecy had to do with or referenced 'salvation' -- certainly can't get that from the context and it's not mentioned at all in the prophecy he gave there.
Joel 2:28-29: And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
It's interesting too that the Spirit would be poured out on "servants" and "handmaids". In other words these people were already followers of Christ i.e. believers. |
It's interesting too that the Spirit would be poured out on "servants" and "handmaids". In other words these people were already followers of Christ i.e. believers.
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05-29-2007, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
He saw miracles and wonders ... and the power of God ... nothing audible ... no sounds .... as in Acts 2 |
Daniel, how did Simon know they had received the Holy Ghost when hands were laid if they did not speak with tongues?!
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05-29-2007, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Barb
Daniel, how did Simon know they had received the Holy Ghost when hands were laid if they did not speak with tongues?!
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The bible is silent on this in this passage ... some could have spoken in tongues ... others prophesy .... I believe that tongues is physical evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost ....
but .... our tradition has told us that in every instance in the NT ...tongues were present ... and this one of many example where there is no CLEAR EVIDENCE or intent by the writer to make it plain to us ....
My problem is with those who teach tongue or hell .... they believe they've got all of it mapped out ... and there are many passages like these that are not black and white.
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05-29-2007, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
The bible is silent on this in this passage ... some could have spoken in tongues ... others prophesy .... I believe that tongues is physical evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost ....
but .... our tradition has told us that in every instance in the NT ...tongues were present ... and this one of many example where there is no CLEAR EVIDENCE or intent by the writer to make it plain to us ....
My problem is with those who teach tongue or hell .... they believe they've got all of it mapped out ... and there are many passages like these that are not black and white.
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If tongues were spoken in Acts 2 and 19, would it have been inconsistent for it not to have happened every time, or is this just the explanation we always give here?!
In explaining the events of Chapter 10 in Chapter 11, Peter said that the Holy Ghost fell on them "as on us at the beginnng."
What would have let him know this if it weren't tongues?!
I really need to turn in, Daniel...I'll check in here in the morning...
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