Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by n david

I tried asking how many UPC churches ILG has been in and was given the run around as well.

This probably deserves a whole other thread but, I find this whole subject interesting. In my youth, I went to a church where the pastor held a license and the church was registered as a UPC church. At this church the UPC, the politics and talking points were endorsed heavily. The people ate it up and called themselves UPC. The church I attend now and for the last 22 years would be considered independent. My pastor and I are licensed with the UPC. In the last 22 years I haven't heard a mention of the UPC behind the pulpit but we do hear a lot about The Kingdom. In fact, almost all of our members would have no clue what you are talking about if you said the word UPC. I associate with plenty of licensed ministers and rarely hear anything of the UPC. I think I hear more about the UPC here than any where else I go, except a maybe certain district function. I think in an environment when an earthly kingdom is promoted over Gods kingdom people are likely to be hurt. I would blame this on the ministry that is doing this and not the organization they hold a license with.

[n david]

Originally Posted by endtimer

This probably deserves a whole other thread but, I find this whole subject interesting. In my youth, I went to a church where the pastor held a license and the church was registered as a UPC church. At this church the UPC, the politics and talking points were endorsed heavily. The people ate it up and called themselves UPC. The church I attend now and for the last 22 years would be considered independent. My pastor and I are licensed with the UPC. In the last 22 years I haven't heard a mention of the UPC behind the pulpit but we do hear a lot about The Kingdom. In fact, almost all of our members would have no clue what you are talking about if you said the word UPC. I associate with plenty of licensed ministers and rarely hear anything of the UPC. I think I hear more about the UPC here than any where else I go, except a maybe certain district function. I think in an environment when an earthly kingdom is promoted over Gods kingdom people are likely to be hurt. I would blame this on the ministry that is doing this and not the organization they hold a license with.

I agree.

[Monterrey]

You betcha I scorned!!!

What fun is it to leave something like that when you can't talk bad about it, run it into the ground, berate anyone who is still in it...

What kind of a guy you think I am anyway? Some left leaning hypocrite? Man oh man I scorned!!!

Whoo hee,

LOL

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ILG

I understand what you are saying, Mich, but as far as I am concerned I will always have the right to chime in about this organization. I have earned that right. However, I rarely do because of all the drama that surrounds it. It gets wearisome.

Why here? Of all places knowing there are people here that still go to the UPC?

I don't think you REALLY understand what Mich is saying. It's US who are tired of it who weary. IT'S OLD. It goes on over and over and over and over.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ILG

I have learned that it is never okay to criticize the UPC (in my experience).

It was not okay when I was newly in the church because I was new and didn't "understand".

It was not okay when my husband was the assistant pastor and I was worship leader because we were just assisting.

It was not okay when we were in Home Missions because we were new pastors.

It was not okay when we started pastoring an established work because "they" said so.

It was not okay when we found embezzling going on because we were supposed to let the district superintendent handle it.

It was not okay when the district superintendent did not handle it but pushed it up under the rug.

It was not okay when we were leaving.

It was not okay after we left because we were "bitter" and "backslid".

It is not okay now because we no longer attend.

See, it just isn't okay.

Which means, according to the UPC, it is not and never was okay for me to have an opinion, a voice, a question, a comment or ANYTHING negative.

But it was okay when we assisted for free for 9 years. It was okay when we built a church and financed it for 5 years. It was okay when we pastored practically for free for another 5 years.

See, giving and praising and all that is okay.

But don't you ever, ever criticize, even if people are embezzling and the district superintendent is covering it up. Because that would be WRONG!

And there you have it.

And on and on and on and on.

You really don't understand. It's not that you had an opinion or criticism, it's that you tell us over and over and over and over and over and over...and not just you but others and if you REALLY Did understand Mich's point, you'd be more sympathetic than defensive over it.

Over and over and over and over, month after month, year after year...I set my watch by it

It's OLD

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by endtimer

This probably deserves a whole other thread but, I find this whole subject interesting. In my youth, I went to a church where the pastor held a license and the church was registered as a UPC church. At this church the UPC, the politics and talking points were endorsed heavily. The people ate it up and called themselves UPC. The church I attend now and for the last 22 years would be considered independent. My pastor and I are licensed with the UPC. In the last 22 years I haven't heard a mention of the UPC behind the pulpit but we do hear a lot about The Kingdom. In fact, almost all of our members would have no clue what you are talking about if you said the word UPC. I associate with plenty of licensed ministers and rarely hear anything of the UPC. I think I hear more about the UPC here than any where else I go, except a maybe certain district function. I think in an environment when an earthly kingdom is promoted over Gods kingdom people are likely to be hurt. I would blame this on the ministry that is doing this and not the organization they hold a license with.

I'd personally prefer not to hear from the Pulpit anything about any organization other than the Kingdom of God

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I'd personally prefer not to hear from the Pulpit anything about any organization other than the Kingdom of God

Amen. Amen.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why here? Of all places knowing there are people here that still go to the UPC?

I don't think you REALLY understand what Mich is saying. It's US who are tired of it who weary. IT'S OLD. It goes on over and over and over and over.

Because I can do what I want.

[Reader]

Over and over and over and over, month after month, year after year...I set my watch by it

It's OLD

That's how I feel about the continual anti-Bible/faith/Christian posts & polls seen here. Do you not tire of those?

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by Reader

That's how I feel about the continual anti-Bible/faith/Christian posts & polls seen here. Do you not tire of those?

I get tired of those posts too. For me it's not so much the subject, but the negativity all together that gets old. I guess that's why I don't come here much anymore.